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by RealStickman_ 195 days ago
Most laptops have included Windows 10 or 11 licenses, which are valid for this use
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Last time i checked a Windows 10 and 11 license does not permit running Windows in a virtualized environment.

That could have changed by now.

Last time I checked I did not agree to be bombarded with ads and have all my data tracked after paying 100+ for a piece of software...
You kinda did...

> By accepting this agreement and using the software you agree that Microsoft may collect, use, and disclose the information as described in the Microsoft Privacy Statement [...]

Doesn't make it okay, just legal

https://www.microsoft.com/content/dam/microsoft/usetm/docume...

There's a couple of terms in contract law, like fairness of obligations, unconscionability, disproportionate penalty, excessive advantage, etc. that the US seems to have forgotten. In the EU and other countries such... aberrations are struck down and unenforceable. People are still scared silly, but the ones that protest are usually left alone.
Those aspects of contract law mean that if MS included "you owe us your first born child" or "if you have not uninstalled this operating system within 2 weeks of installation, you owe Microsoft an additional one million dollars" then that clause wouldn't be valid.

They don't however mean that MS choosing to put adverts all over Windows is illegal, or a breach of the contract, just because users would prefer the OS be ad-free. The EU could legislate in various ways that would mean MS had to stop doing so, but they haven't yet and there's no aspect of general contracts law currently that prevents it.

Many countries have laws against "hidden defects".

One could argue that adding ads after some time from a system putchased without ads throuh updates is a defect that has been hidden at purchase time.

If you bought and paid something (not a subscription) that was ad-free and then all of a sudden in a mandatory update you start to get ads, well, maybe someone already tried and failed to sue MS but personally seems pretty predatory.
A good chunk of EULAs are partially-completely unenforceable in US contract law as well.

It just doesn’t stop corporations from using them as a scare tactic.

Your fault for not letting your drink at the bar get chemically analyzed before drinking it
Doesn't necessarily make it legal either, but proving that in court would require pitting your own wallet against Microsoft's.
Umm actually, you did. You also waived off the right to name your firstborn, and if you disagree, you’ve waived off your right to anything except arbitration. Sorry, I didn’t make the rules.

(Friendly reminder that legality, once again, ≠ morality. Victimless crimes can be illegal, and Enron fucking shit up and filing bankruptcy can be legal.)

then it would be illegal to use hyper-v, since windows is then run under a hypervisor.
The FPP license does allow local vm access. But if u access it remotely then u need a SA or VDA license. If this thread is legit: https://community.spiceworks.com/t/whats-wrong-or-not-legal-...
In that case you are using a network protocol but one could argue you are still accessing the VM in the same local system the OS has been licensed for. It is a remote access from a software perspective but a local access from a user perspective.
RDP on the same system isn't remote access though.
You’re running it on the same fuckin machine you were originally licensed to run it on!

This is an ethics question, not a phrasing question.