[globalnode]

We'll never have a ubi in a opportunistic greed based economy. How are you going to convince "mr i want all the resources" that they should share for the wellbeing of other people (and indirectly for the benefit of themselves but they dont look that far)? its about the foundations our economic systems are built on.

edit: oh and without sounding too conspiratorial hopefully... how are you going to control a populace that isnt desperate, downtrodden and uneducated... /end conspiracy

[bigyabai]

You're describing the tragedy of the commons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons

I don't personally advocate for UBI, but I'll counter your question with another question; how are individuals supposed to have class mobility in an economy where the majority of transactions are speculative? The traditional "work hard and retire eventually" mindset is not going to last forever. Today's workers are paying yesterday's pensioners.

[globalnode]

A ubi based economy would require more protectionism from govt of finite resources and perhaps even a carrot based incentive system to get people to do less desirable activities. I dont think a ubi economy would have to be entirely flat in terms of wealth, there should always be incentives for people who want more. I'd rather have more sharing of a protected commons than a few oligarchs having it all to themselves.