[tonyhart7]

It's not a lie if no one is abusing it.

Travel to high trust societies if you don't get what I mean.

Things would be so much easier if we could expect human decency and ethics, even if there is no law against it, because it goes against our values as humans.

[wltr]

I understand that, but the phrasing is just wrong. Unlimited is unlimited. Otherwise it’s just doublespeak.

[sfn42]

If there is a limit then it isn't unlimited. That's what the word unlimited means.

Either it is unlimited or it is not. If you call something unlimited then there should not be a limit. You cant abuse it, it's unlimited. There is no limit, so you can never go beyond the limit which means you can never abuse it.

That's what unlimited means. If you mean something else then use a different word.

[threeducks]

> It's not a lie if no one is abusing it.

It absolutely is a lie, but you might live in a society where constant lying has been normalized. Personally, I believe that society would be better off if companies were held to the letter of their words.

[tonyhart7]

Because that’s not a lie; under special circumstances, it can be true.

For example, consider a restaurant that offers free rice refills because Asian people love eating rice to fill up. An employee working overtime who really needs it can get as many refills as they want.

Of course, this system falls apart if everyone starts doing it, as the restaurant would need to bake that cost into the price to sustain the business.

But my point is: you can have nice things in society, or you can have a dystopia where people take advantage of each other at every single opportunity.

The choice is yours.

[ipaddr]

A dystopia is where people lie about free rice bowls to get people in the door but can't deliver. That's not nice things its taking advantage of a lie and blaming people who take up the offer.

[tonyhart7]

read again, its not lie

its like giving up your seat when there is pregnant woman on the train

if you really need it then its okay, but I know why you don't believe this because its hard to have this policy in US where everyone weight 200 lbs

[twelvedogs]

Someone will abuse it though, so why bother with the bullshit

You don't build high trust societies with lies

[tonyhart7]

"You don't build high trust societies with lies"

Yes because you build it with trust, I trust you to not ruin this things so everyone can enjoy it

I can understand where you coming from because when I watch YT videos about people that exploit the loophole or game the system, people literally praise them for "beating the game" and this is happen mostly with US where everyone is materialistic

but my counter argument is game theory, where everyone can cooperate for betterment of your environment

[sallveburrpi]

Things would be so much easier if there weren’t a super small minority of extremely greedy rich and powerful people who ruin it for everyone…

Alas we decided collectively that money trumps(sic) everything so low trust society is the natural consequence of this.

At its core it’s a spiritual problem. Capitalism is cool but making it a religion has its trade offs.

[Aurornis]

In my experience the SaaS unlimited abusers often aren’t even trying to do capitalism things. They’re just abusing the systems for the thrill of it.

They go on Reddit and brag and compete about doing useless things to store files on these services, like a competition. They’re bragging on HN about GitHub tools that force files into a non-file service and have rate limiters tuned to upload right at the server’s rate limit.

It’s not capitalism, it’s people thinking they’re winning points against capitalism by abusing a corporation. Even if that corporation is a small startup trying to offer a product on a small budget.