[maartenh]

How much VRAM would this require, if I would want to run this locally?

I bought a 12GB Nvidia card a year ago. In general I'm having a hard time to find the actual required hardware specs for any self hosted AI model. Any tips/suggestions/recommended resources for that?

[nsingh2]

One quick way to estimate a lower bound is to take the number of parameters and multiply it with the bits per parameter. So a model with 7 billion parameters running with float8 types would be ~7 GB to load at a minimum. The attention mechanism would require more on top of that, and depends on the size of the context window.

You'll also need to load inputs (images in this case) onto the GPU memory, and that depends on the image resolution and batch size.

[selcuka]

I use LMStudio for running models locally (macOS) and it tries to estimate whether the model would fit in my GPU memory (which is the same thing as main memory for Macs).

The Q4_K_S quantized version of Microsoft Fara 7B is a 5.8GB download. I'm pretty sure it would work on a 12GB Nvidia card. Even the Q8 one (9.5GB) could work.

[BoredomIsFun]

12GiB card not GB. Extra tail compounds to extra 800 MB.

[selcuka]

Fair, but the download sizes given above are also in GiB.

Also these calculations are very approximate anyway. The 6.67% difference will not change the fact that 5.8 << 12.

[BoredomIsFun]

No file sizes normally given in raw bytes. I've downloaded dozens of models from huggingface, and the difference was always favouring the VRAM size in GiB.

[daemonologist]

12GB will be sufficient to run a quantized version, provided you're not running anything else memory-hungry on the GPU.

You're not finding hardware specs because there are a lot of variables at play - the degree to which the weights are quantized, how much space you want to set aside for the KV cache, extra memory needed for multimodal features, etc.

My rule of thumb is 1 byte per parameter to be comfortable (running a quantization with somewhere between 4.5 and 6 bits per parameter and leaving some room for the cache and extras), so 7 GB for 7 billion parameters. If you need a really large context you'll need more; if you want to push it you can get away with a little less.

[samus]

There aren't any because it depends a lot on what your use case is, what speed you expect, how accurate you want it to run, how many users want to use it, and how much context size you need.

- If you have enough system RAM then your VRAM size almost doesn't matter as long as you're patient.

- For most models, running them at 16bit precision is a waste, unless you're fine-tuning. The difference to Q8 is negligible, Q6 is still very faithful. In return, they need less memory and get faster.

- Users obviously need to share computing resources with each other. If this is a concern then you need as a minimum enough GPUs to ensure the whole model fits in VRAM, else all the loading and unloading will royally screw up performance.

- Maximum context length is crucial to think about since it has to be stored in memory as well, preferably in VRAM. Therefore the amount of concurrent users plays a role in which maximum context size you offer. But it is also possible to offload it to system RAM or to quantize it.

Rule of thumb: budget 1.5*s where s is the model size at the quantization level you're using. Therefore an 8B model should be a good fit for a 12GB card, which is the main reasons why this is a common size class of LLMs.

[rahimnathwani]

The model is 17GB, so you'd need 24GB VRAM:

https://huggingface.co/microsoft/Fara-7B/tree/main

If you want to find models which fit on your GPU, the easiest way is probably going to ollama.com/library

For a general purpose model, try this one, which should fit on your card:

https://ollama.com/library/gemma3:12b

If that doesn't work, the 4b version will definitely work.

[jillesvangurp]

It's a good reason to use macs as they have unified ram. I have a 48GB mac book pro. Plenty of memory to run these models. And the M4 Max should be plenty fast. You kind of want to have enough ram that you have plenty left to run your normal stuff after the model has loaded.

I wish I had more time to play with this stuff. It's so hard to keep up with all this.

[baq]

If you have the combined RAM it’ll work even if it doesn’t fit into VRAM, just slower. A 7B model like this one might actually be fast enough.