[LunaSea]

> what we all signed up for

No, we didn't. The EU ignored the French and Dutch people's votes.

[saubeidl]

What are you even talking about

[hdgvhicv]

I suspect the elected French parliament ignoring the “no to eu constitution vote” in 2005

Not sure how the EU is blamed for the sovereign actions of the French Parliament.

[saubeidl]

Or how that is in any way related to the other several instances of "ever closer union" wording that France signed up to.

[LunaSea]

This is about the vote on the EU Constitution in the early 2000s during which both French and Dutch people voted against. Later the EU decided to pass it without a referendum to side step this "democracy issue". Something you would have know about if you actually understood the topic.

So no, "even closer union" is not something that most europeans want, especially not in the current climate of corruption and fuckups by the commission.

[hdgvhicv]

That’s not what happened. the French parliament ratified the treaty

Your problem is with the sovereign democratically elected parliament who ignored their own referendum.

https://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/13/scrutins/jo0083.asp

(Same in NL)

[saubeidl]

"The EU" is our elected governments, not some third-party institution. An extra vote on top of the election was always foolish.

[LunaSea]

> "The EU" is our elected governments

Is that why the EU MEP can't propose laws?

Is that why the Commission can ignore the MEP's votes?

Also, many European governments have not been elected by people voting for them but by people voting against their opponent. Hardly a vote of confidence.

> An extra vote on top of the election was always foolish.

Yes, so foolish to ask people their opinion. If only we could have one strong man or woman decide everything.