[pessimizer]

It really reads as exactly the evil victim mentality of the people wildly overrepresented at the top that we get in the US. The military service thing is obviously a real issue, though, but I don't know why that wouldn't be solved by forcing women into mandatory public service in the same way a man with a disability would be. Is it just that Korea doesn't have the social services to absorb the manpower?

Military service is also a benefit that women don't get, too. They don't get to make the connections in the military that would help them along in their careers.

> They just want to feel like they are treated equally in society.

Shouldn't you wait until your country is half run by women before claiming oppression? Until your boss and CEO are as likely to be women as men? I feel like this stuff it bought into by marginal men who are oppressed by other men of a higher class, and average women catch all the flack because they're simultaneously accessible and denying marginal men what they want on a daily basis. They don't see upper-class men as enemies because they don't ever see upper-class men; when they hear about upper-class cruelty, they fantasize about the revenge they would take if they were in power, especially on the women who say no.

In Korea, the anger about conscription just gives them a semi-legitimate gripe that seems like it should be taken away by conscripting women.

[creakingstairs]

> Shouldn't you wait until your country is half run by women before claiming oppression? Until your boss and CEO are as likely to be women as men?

Well boss and CEO's generation _were_ heavily discriminated and no one disputes that. For younger generation who are working, they go through 2 years of military service, then sees women in their generation go on a trip to find herself instead, then gets "preferential treatment" at work (e.g. woman police officer goes up 2 rank for giving a person in distress their jacket). Meanwhile, men are expected to financially contribute more for marriages. So now you get this explosive cocktail of resentment: it's hard to get well-paying jobs + have to go to the army + other societal expectation for manhood.

Disclaimer: I don't think it's _that_ bad but I don't live in Korea, and I have lost friends for claiming this.

> I feel like this stuff it bought into by marginal men who are oppressed by other men of a higher class

Yes, there is some truth to this. Korean media is actively fuelling this outrage but I don't think you can't generalize it to everyone who supports it. Funnily enough, latest social discourse is around "Young Forties" (so older men with more social status), so now they are trying to stir up some discourse between generations.

> In Korea, the anger about conscription just gives them a semi-legitimate gripe that seems like it should be taken away by conscripting women.

I do think they should conscript women even for social services and that would quench most of the frustration from young men. But man suggesting this would get mocked for being so petty i.e. "not manly". Politicians also stay well away from this as it would be a political suicide. So where do these marginalised men go? To Lee and anyone who'd listen to them.

Edit: Once you delve deeper into this topic, Korea's abysmal birthrate of 0.68 will really make sense :p

[samdoesnothing]

> It really reads as exactly the evil victim mentality of the people wildly overrepresented at the top

The people at the top don't have a victim mentality because they're successful. However, there are a lot of people who aren't at the top, who aren't doing great, but on the basis of their gender are told that they deserve dispreferential treatment because there's more of their gender at the top of society. I don't see how that makes them evil. Perhaps I'm just totally misunderstanding your point though.

> Military service is also a benefit that women don't get, too. They don't get to make the connections in the military that would help them along in their careers.

They can volunteer if they wanted those supposed benefits. Seems weird to try to make conscription sound like it has positives when it's just purely negative.

> Shouldn't you wait until your country is half run by women before claiming oppression? Until your boss and CEO are as likely to be women as men?

This is an overly simplistic view of "oppression". Do you think that men as a whole somehow benefit from there being an over representation of their gender at the top of society? That despite struggling to survive, because we share the same gender that we aren't suffering or that we can't be oppressed?

It's like people blame all men for the actions of our ancestors and want to take revenge or something. It's really weird.

[erxam]

Men don't know what oppression is. It is as simple as that.

When we get attacked on our privilege, we feel as if it were a mortal wound.

I completely agree with you. Men pull out the victim card like it was the easiest thing in the fucking world. Of course, if anything happens, it's the fault of those weaker than us.

That's because we aspire to be them. To be the oppressors. There won't be any liberation, just a change of guard.

I fucking hate men and masculinity. This is the poison that will lead to humanity's extinction.