[sunaookami]

>How has it morphed into a wierd political institution

Von der Leyen, an autocratic fascist that is ruining this continent. She failed to push her agenda in Germany so she "failed upwards". Even how she got this position was highly controversial and went against the top candidate principle. The EU commission is exceeding their competencies. The EU is not democratic, there is no parliamentary oversight, the parliament can't even introduce legislative proposals. No one can vote for the EU commission, only the parliament can vote for or against all the proposed candidates (not one by one). Parliament is essentially a rubber stamp for the commission.

I could be jailed for this comment btw.

[saubeidl]

All of this is disinformation and propaganda.

There is parliamentary oversight, it's literally the next step in the process.

We all voted for the EU commission through our respective elections for national governments, who appoint the comission.

You could not be jailed for this comment, though sometimes I wish you could. Information warfare is real.

[sunaookami]

>All of this is disinformation and propaganda.

I suggest actually looking at how the EU operates instead of accusing others of "spreading disinformation and propaganda" which is a typical response when someone critizies EU institutions.

>There is parliamentary oversight

A rubber stamp is oversight I guess. Laws like the DMA and DSA give the commission way too much power without being kept in check.

>it's literally the next step in the process.

Ah yes the "informal trilogue" where all parties meet behind closed doors and the public and most parliament members are excluded. Only ten members allowed! Did you know that from 2009 to 2014 at least 93% EU-wide laws were "debated" this way?

>We all voted for the EU commission through our respective elections for national governments, who appoint the comission

That's a very generous definition of "voted". As I said people can't vote for the EU commission nor can the parliament vote for the members of the commission. Remember that the EU commission is the ONLY one that can propose laws, the parliament CAN NOT do this even though it's their job.

>You could not be jailed for this comment, though sometimes I wish you could

Yes let's jail everyone for online comments you do not like. How about that German journalist that critizied a politician regarding free speech and got probation? Or when the police raided someone's home because he called a politician on Twitter a "dick"? Is this your idea of democracy?

[saubeidl]

> That's a very generous definition of "voted". As I said people can't vote for the EU commission nor can the parliament vote for the members of the commission. Remember that the EU commission is the ONLY one that can propose laws, the parliament CAN NOT do this even though it's their job.

People can't vote for ministers etc either. That's how representative democracy works.

> How about that German journalist that critizied a politician regarding free speech and got probation?

You mean a neonazi that was spreading Nazi propaganda in Germany, which is a bit sensitive when it comes to that sort of thing for obvious historical reasons?

> Or when the police raided someone's home because he called a politician on Twitter a "dick

That was in fact ridiculous and I agree with you that this shouldn't have happened. But that isn't "the EU" that's German conservatives.

[sunaookami]

>That's how representative democracy works.

You can't compare voting ministers with how the voting for EU institution works. The votes get so watered down that its far away from representative.

>You mean a neonazi that was spreading Nazi propaganda in Germany

Ah yes everyone is a Nazi... no I'm talking about David Bendels. You may not like Deutschland-Kurier (I certainly do not, that's also not relevant) but going after a journalist because he posted a meme picture of Nancy Faeser with the text "I hate freedom of speech" is way over the top (and proves him right ironically).

>But that isn't "the EU" that's German conservatives

That was the SPD which is on the left spectrum.

You don't seem to know much about this stuff so why bother replying trying to make other readers think I were some sort of disinformation spreader? That's incredibly dishonest.

[izacus]

Your blatant lying and propaganda does not belong to this site (or anywhere).

Why are you posting this?

[sunaookami]

So where exactly is the lie and the propaganda? Do I have to ask you before posting here or what?