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by Yizahi 208 days ago
Forming deterministic actions is a sign of computation, not intelligence. Intelligence is probably (I guess) dependent on the nondeterministic actions.

Computation is when you query a standby, doing nothing, machine and it computes a deterministic answer. Intelligence (or at least some sign of it) is when machine queries you, the operator, on it's own volition.
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matu3ba 208 days ago
> Forming deterministic actions is a sign of computation, not intelligence.

What computations can process and formalize other computations as transferable entity/medium, meaning to teach other computations via various mediums?

> Intelligence is probably (I guess) dependent on the nondeterministic actions.

I do agree, but I think intelligent actions should be deterministic, even if expressing non-deterministic behavior.

> Computation is when you query a standby, doing nothing, machine and it computes a deterministic answer.

There are whole languages for stochastic programming https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stochastic_programming to express deterministically non-deterministic behavior, so I think that is not true.

> Intelligence (or at least some sign of it) is when machine queries you, the operator, on it's own volition.

So you think the thing, who holds more control/force at doing arbitrary things as the thing sees fit, is more intelligent? That sounds to me more like the definition of power, not intelligence.

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Yizahi 208 days ago
> So you think the thing, who holds more control/force at doing arbitrary things as the thing sees fit, is more intelligent? That sounds to me more like the definition of power, not intelligence.

I want to address this item. I think not about control or comparing something to something. I think intelligence is having at least some/any voluntary thinking. A cat can't do math or write text, but he can think on his own volition and is therefore intelligent being. A CPU running some externally predefined commands, is not intelligent, yet.

I wonder if LLM can be stepping stone to intelligence or not, but it is not clear for me.

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matu3ba 208 days ago
I like the idea of voluntary thinking very much, but I have no idea how to properly formalize or define it.
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