[satvikpendem]

> The code could be spaghetti even with a framework and is not necessarily spaghetti without one.

Sure, but some are easier to make spaghetti out of than others.

> Real criteria like costs or user concerns don’t up until way down the line.

This is orthogonal to frameworks versus not, just as you said one can make spaghetti in any sort of way, it doesn't mean that frameworks are worse at ameliorating "real costs."