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by 0_gravitas 207 days ago
> I'm assuming the people who are asking for Orion to be open source are not paying for it.

I think this is an odd/slightly-disingenuous statement.

I mean, I'm on linux, so I'm not, I'm happily paying for kagi though, and would pay for Orion+ if it was available to me :)

I would also very much like it if Orion was open source, it would make me feel a lot better committing to and recommending a browser if I had actual assurances it's behaving appropriately, beyond a company saying "trust me", no matter how nice/cool they seem at the time.

Honestly, I kinda wish Orion+ was the only option, I think having a free option (and the incentives that can create) is kind of antithetical to Kagi's whole raison detre.
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inesranzo 207 days ago
> I would also very much like it if Orion was open source, it would make me feel a lot better committing to and recommending a browser if I had actual assurances it's behaving appropriately, beyond a company saying "trust me", no matter how nice/cool they seem at the time.

Kagi isn't 100% open source but you still use it and recommend it?

How do you know they aren't spying on the backend?

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zamadatix 207 days ago
There's not really a reasonable local alternative to running something like Kagi, so one kind of just have to hope for the best with the least shady looking option or not use web search at all. It would be nice if they at least had a 3rd party audit validate their privacy claims... but Kagi is at least a step in a better direction than any common search option, even if they might still actually be spying on you for all you know (and keep that in mind if you choose to use it).

The same is not true of browsers, to the extent you can even build/use privacy conscious versions of Google's browser project because Chromium is open source! To trade that away for closed source on the promise of another company who was only able to build a browser because of an open source engine is an unnecessary step backwards and should be bothering people, as much as Kagi appears like the nice company for now.

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