[the_af]

Nobody argued pop & mom ("and larger") businesses don't strive to make money, the argument was that that's not their only goal.

We're arguing against your "at all costs" because you did imply it. Maximizing money earned at the cost of employees well being and happiness is ONE way of making money, but not the only way. You can earn money but not seek to maximize the money at the cost of burning out employees, for example.

[WalterBright]

Then you're arguing with yourself, because I never wrote "at all costs" nor did I imply it. It's your (rather ridiculous) strawman.

Consider I want to enter a marathon with the intention of winning it. Do you think that implies I want to club the other athletes so I can win "at all costs"?

[the_af]

But that's the kind of argument you're making by dismissing opinions that e.g. clubbing other athletes since winning is the most important thing is bad, and that if we don't like it we should "join a commune".

Others have already explained that while a business must make money, that's not always the most important thing, there are competing goals (not excluding money, but sometimes as important).

And if you didn't understand the original comment by stavros, then he clarified what he meant. So now you have the chance to stand corrected: he meant making money at the expense of all else, including worker happiness. This point has been made more than once already, you cannot have missed it.

[WalterBright]

> if you didn't understand the original comment by stavros, then he clarified what he meant

I understood his original statement, and did not impute additional meanings into it. None of you have accepted that I did not write "at any cost".

> clubbing other athletes since winning is the most important thing is bad, and that if we don't like it we should "join a commune".

And there you invented YET ANOTHER strawman to bash me with.

Frankly, I'd like you to produce a clever argument that challenges me. Using logical fallacies, like strawmen, is kinda boring. It's easy enough to google the list of logical fallacies, and then you'll be able to avoid them and it'll be much harder to dismantle your argument.