[eviks]

> VSCode (polished, fast, ...) and Explorer (paleolithically slow,

In what world is VSCode fast when its startup time is multiples of Explorer (which had in recent news decided to preload itself to mask that issue) and they are the result of exactly the same fundamental shift from native to web native

[IAmNotACellist]

VSCode starts up the same as any other IDE, and is responsive and snappy when using it. Explorer starts up about 100 times slower than any other file explorer, and is exceptionally while using it too.

[eviks]

Visual Studio is the one to compare to "any other heavy IDE", vs code is slow as a text editor due to chrome, not its ide features , and there are plenty of code editors with plugins that start much faster, though I won't make up 10000 times, it's only around 10

[IAmNotACellist]

>vs code is slow as a text editor due to chrome

VSCode is an IDE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_Studio_Code

>Visual Studio is the one to compare to "any other heavy IDE"

Why? VSCode is an example of a well-made product from MSFT, unlike Explorer.

>and there are plenty of code editors with plugins that start much faster,

What IDE with plugins starts faster? And I'm not talking about the startup time of VSCode.

[eviks]

> VSCode is an IDE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_Studio_Code

Now try to follow your own sources, both links for that sentence call it a code editor with MS doing the correct reverence " happy with using a regular code editor like Sublime Text instead of a full IDE like Visual Studio."! It's also called so on its official page "The open source AI code editor" So try to make an actual argument/use a proper source for one instead of treating wikis as the ultimate truth

> What IDE with plugins starts faster?

Sublime Text, which is as much an IDE as VSCode

> And I'm not talking about the startup time of VSCode.

You're, you are responding to a point about very slow startup time

[IAmNotACellist]

>Now try to follow your own sources, both links for that sentence call it a code editor with MS doing the correct reverence " happy with using a regular code editor like Sublime Text instead of a full IDE like Visual Studio."

People call applications apps, and before that they called applications programs. VSCode is called an IDE. My link calls it an IDE. Some people call it a code editor. Some people call emacs and vim IDEs. VSCode does everything an IDE does, including compiling, debugging, and profiling.

>So try to make an actual argument/use a proper source for one instead of treating wikis as the ultimate truth

Just because you don't like it being called an IDE doesn't mean it isn't an actual argument.

Regardless, you haven't and can't attack my central point. The only one I care about, in fact: that the user can feel the vast difference in quality of VSCode vs. Explorer, and can tell that it's made competently vs. incompetently.

I also said nothing about how long it takes to start up--you brought that up. I called it "polished, fast, intelligent UI, not buggy, [and it] consistently improves," all of which are true. All of which you've ignored.

>You're, you are responding to a point about very slow startup time

I'm responding to someone who doesn't understand my argument, and probably doesn't want to.

[eviks]

> People call applications apps, and before that they called applications programs

Those are synonyms, how is it relevant?

> My link calls it an IDE.

Mistakenly because the sources it uses to support that do not call it an IDE

> Just because you don't like it being called an IDE doesn't mean it isn't an actual argument.

The reason isn't likes, but lack of substance. Like when you provide an empty reference to wiki without even reading it yourself to see that the sources don't support the statement

> Regardless, you haven't and can't attack my central point.

I have, your comparison is false, the "paleo slow" app is faster than the "fast" one. Now you claim that "fast" somehow doesn't include the speed of startup!

> All of which you've ignored.

Some of which, and given that you can't see the obvious about objective things like speed, and the common like the difference between an IDE and a code editor, there is no point in addressing more vague points like UI polish.

But also, why do you have the misconception that I should somehow address everything in you list???

[fdg4t]

>What IDE with plugins starts faster?

CudaText starts at the same speed as Sublime Text, but on Windows 10 it starts faster for me. Due to the faster Python DLL initing.

[mschuster91]

The competition is IntelliJ, which can be slow as molasses.

[eviks]

Visual Studio is the competition to IntelliJ