[chickensong]

> I don't see any developer complaining about LLM steeling our job, or that LLM are infringing copyright and are bad for humanity

Not sure if you're just trolling, but um... just look at every AI thread for the last year.

GenAI and vibe coding aren't the same thing because the end product is different. While you can find art and poetry in code, generally, the code is an means to an end. It's more the medium than the message.

I don't want to completely discount genAI, because I think it has it's place, but it's also a pollutant. People value human feelings, originality, and authenticity, which are cornerstones of art. GenAI is not those things, and feels like a fake to many people. It's muzak vs music. The industry plant that looks good, but has no real talent.

Personally, I don't think LLMs are the death of developers. Most software is a big steaming pile, held together with band-aids and duct tape, and the demand for it is never ending. Any tools that help us improve on the current situation are welcome IMHO.

Artists, on the other hand, already have a hard enough time just scraping by. Many take on soulless work, making corporate stock art or editorial copy, just to pay the rent. It's not what they want to be doing, but at least it's using their skill set. GenAI is arguably fine for generating that kind of content, but now the artists are out of a job and probably will just stop being artists in order to survive. Software isn't going anywhere, but artists of all kinds are dwindling. GenAI isn't helping on that front.

Then there's the whole "reality" issue... Code is just code, but genAI is making it harder to tell what's real, which probably isn't helpful for society in general.

[jb_briant]

Not trolling but def not hanging out on HN as much as twitter. I'm in the gamedev circle and GenAI is the only concern, not LLM code. Despite games being a mix of art and code. I'm also in the solopreneur / build in public circle where everybody wants to vibe code the next SaaS.

From your feedback, GenAI makes obvious some important problems our society is facing. LLM result is technical, genAI result is emotional because despite being the same exact tools, one produces text and the other produces images.

[chickensong]

LLM output isn't always technical though, so I'm not sure if it's as black and white as text vs images. Writing fiction in particular, is quite an artistic endeavor, and just as visual artists typically finds their own style, writers do too.

If someone isn't great at grammar or writing in general, using an LLM to compose an email seems fine to me. I also don't feel strongly about using it for advertising or marketing content, or purely informational cases like technical documentation, as long as it's accurate. Telling an LLM to write a novel in the style of another author however... that's not cool. The use case and intent matters greatly.

I'm not in game dev, so I'm curious where you see people drawing the line for genAI usage? I do have friends in that circle though, but their complaints have mostly been about the industry in general (brutal), and the offshoring of work, particularly in the 3d modeling/asset creation areas.

I will say however, that I've long had dreams of making a game, but the asset generation has always been too big of a hurdle to overcome, so genAI gives me some hope that maybe one day I might be able to attempt something.