[NaomiLehman]

Few female pop stars manage to gain success without appealing to the "male gaze" even if they produce stuff for women as their target demographic. On the contrary people mostly don't care if male musicians are hot - Ed Sheeran or make very questionable decisions - Drake.

Look at top 20 male and female popular artists on Spotify and try to think how many of them are agreeable and objectively good looking.

https://kworb.net/spotify/listeners.html

I don't know know if this answers your question. I also might have a huge blind spot, open to talking about this.

[amenhotep]

The majority of the popular male musicians there are comparably photogenic to the females, Sheeran is really the major exception and he's not even ugly, just Distinctive in a way that's easily matched by Sia and personally I'd say both Gaga and Eilish.

It just looks like pretty people are in general a lot more successful, which is unsurprising. The attempt to apply a sexist lens to it is a bit tortured.

[NaomiLehman]

i absolutely don't agree that they are in the same ballpark of being photogenic when we look at top 50 and estimate averages - this could probably be easy to measure with a jailbroken LLM.

the difference is even bigger when I look at agreeability - this is more difficult to measure.

[k__]

Who in the top 20 wouldn't you consider conventionally attractive?

[brabel]

But I was talking about is that she believes there’s a hate of women, that they must fit some preconceived image… and what I see in real pop stars is the total opposite . They seem to do all they can to look scandalous and shocking. They mostly go for the hot female image but some don’t. Being good looking yes is an expectation but how does that have anything to do with hating women and patriarchy??