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Baseload is about supplying demand. It'll not go. And to supply it reliably you need firm power. The 500gw statement contains both overlapping bids and just intentions to "think" about deployment. Still, germany would need at bare minimum 3TWh of storage to ditch fossils firming per last winter and deploy even more renewables to charge it. It remains a question how govt will protect investors from cannibalized generation- offshore is already facing problems

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Baseload power plants are already dead in many grids. Or forced to become peakers.

Flexible dispatchable power plants are having a field day though.

> Still, germany would need at bare minimum 3TWh of storage to ditch fossils firming per last winter

Source please. All these ”unimaginable amounts of storage” calculations are usually based on not over producing on a yearly basis.

We also should not let perfect stand in the way of good enough.

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The proof is looking at open generation data past winter. Sadly energy charts gives only gwh/day but you can still do some inference about how much fossils were used/how much imported

There's no such thing as baseload power plant. If solar were able to supply the demand with some bess you'd call it baseload. What matters is firm power. And yes, Germany plans to expand gas plants. It's sad they didn't opt out for BWRs that can modulate faster, at 1%/sec

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No data. Just hand waving. Typical.

Now you want a firming nuclear plant? First it needs to be reliable, we can't have a system collapse when 45% is offline like happened in Sweden in October and May this year.

Then it needs to be dispatchable.

Nuclear power when it runs at 100% 24/7 all year around except a tiny maintenance window costs ~18 cents/kWh.

Are we looking at a 50% capacity factor? And not collapsing when 50% are having outages?

So ~60 cents/kWh?

I love how new built nuclear power becomes completely farcial when put into real world constraints.

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Ah yes, presenting some out of ordinary situations like an everyday thing, typical for a nuclear hater...

German npp had a cf of 90%, providing for 4-5ct/kwh like https://www.kkg.ch/de/uns/geschaefts-nachhaltigkeitsberichte...

For generation data, go to https://www.energy-charts.info/index.html?l=en&c=DE , pick any 4 day interval in each month from dec to feb last year. Look how much twh was generated from fossils and imported. That's what you need to replace

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I love it when 45% having an simultaneous outage is acceptable for nuclear power but dealing with renewable variability is a dealbreaker.

The logical inconsistencies are amazing.

You do know that a 90% averaged capacity factor and simultaneous outages of 45% doesn’t have to be a disjoint set?

Yes. Way way easier, cheaper and faster using renewables and maybe all storage.

Or are you suggesting that we should stave off renewable implementation, continuing with the current emission, and wait until the 2040s for new built nuclear power to come online?

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I suggest do both. 45% in sweden was 2 units going offline? I even doubt that's 45%. And for most part outages were planned. But that's maybe why swedish govt wants to go with smaller bwrx units. This way you can schedule easier annual maintenance for each unit