[IshKebab]

> I find that this is often where the stupidity narrative can be born. I’ve always wondered why someone else’s success triggers such rage and anger in certain people and I think it probably all boils down to the fact that the patriarchal society we unfortunately live in has successfully brainwashed us all. We are still trained to hate women, to hate ourselves and to be angry at women if they step out of the neat little box that public perception has put them in. I think subconsciously people still believe there is only room for women to be a certain type of way and once they claim to be one way they better not DARE grow or change or morph into something else.

Nah it's nothing to do with women, it's simple jealousy. Everyone wants to be successful. If they can dismiss successful people as lucky or whatever (tbf some are) then it makes them feel better about their own failure to be successful (they are just as good; they just weren't as lucky).

A natural human tendency. Look at all the people saying Elon Musk isn't really an engineer. Yeah right, he definitely is heavily involved in the high level technical decisions. Yes he's an arsehole and moderately racist and probably quite lucky too but he is good at his job.

[justsomehnguy]

> Nah it's nothing to do with women, it's simple jealousy.

On the same note here. It's quite interesting what women are quick to attribute any negative behaviour or feeling against them as a sexism and maybe this is a result of some popular culture behaviour.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42057441

[mrdependable]

I think the people who argue about whether Musk is an engineer are the people who look up to him as a sort of Tony Stark figure. He certainly isn't Tony Stark, but then again, no one is.

[nprateem]

I thought the same thing.

As for Musk... tbh I think as the vast majority of us want things from other people we temper our behaviour.

But when you have enough fame and money to do what you want the filters can come off and we can be the selfish nasty people we really are. And some people obviously like to play on that too to get air time or just prove a point.

[IshKebab]

Yeah it seems like rich people lose some of the feedback from society that helps keep people relatively "normal" - you can see it in the names of their children for example (not just Musk).

[squigz]

> Yes he's an arsehole and moderately racist and probably quite lucky too but he is good at his job.

So one can be a massive piece of shit as long as they're good at their job?

Many of us here probably have worked with people like that. It's not a good environment to work in.

[bigstrat2003]

Nobody said that. OP's point was to say "he is good at his job" as a counter to the people who say he isn't good as his job (i.e. "he isn't a real engineer"), not as a counter to people who think he's a jerk.

[squigz]

Then I'm not sure why the points immediately preceding that are relevant.

[TechnicolorByte]

How’s that 2016 promise of LA to NYC autonomous driving goal going for Musk? Or his Cybercab venture going? And the decision to not use LIDAR in his vehicles? Or the Cybertruck’s dismal engineering and sales?

[wtcactus]

- “Hi. I’m an engineer at NASA.”

- “(Scoffs). You’re an engineer? Yeah, right. What about that Challenger explosion? And how come you don’t put anyone on the Moon for 50 years? Engineer…”

That’s how your comment reads.

[WalterBright]

Elon promises 10 revolutionary things and only delivers 9. Sheesh, what a loser!

[dsr_]

Delivering 9 of 10 revolutionary things would, I agree, be amazing.

However...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_predictions_for_autono...

making 31 public predictions about his self-driving cars over 20 years and only being right about one of them is not so clever.

[WalterBright]

He's still the most successful businessman in history, by far. Pretty good for a loser.

[raw_anon_1111]

He’s a hype man. Tesla is a meme stock and always has been. There is no objective valuation that Tesla should be valued as highly as it is. The future projected revenue and definitely not the current revenue support it. Sales popped right before the EV credit is going away. But at most that is probably a dead cat bounce.

[WalterBright]

He essentially invented the electric car industry. E cars before then were impractical and failures.

> There is no objective valuation

Value investing is Warren Buffett's style, which is generally a backwards looking approach. It's not good at predicting transformative technologies. Such was no good at predicting the success of, say, Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, Facebook, etc.

[astrange]

Musk really is that good and nobody else is capable of building factories in the US, but the skills are in raising money and defeating NIMBYism. Raising money (and starting startups) involves a lot of lies and delusions which are not always adaptive skills.

He fell off when he lost his egirl and became a drug addict.