[hearsathought]

> it's about slowing them down in a task we believe that they can do.

But it's not slowing them down. It's forcing them to accelerate development ( aka investing more into the sector ). Has china invested more or less? It's amazing how blind people are to this counterintuitive fact.

[dragontamer]

Oh, and your plan is to just give them the chips they want directly?

Of course investing into chip development is slowing China down. Its slower to build their own than for us to give them those chips.

[hearsathought]

> Oh, and your plan is to just give them the chips they want directly?

"Give them"? I love sneaky propagandists. No, make them pay for it. It's what we do to our "allies" so that they are dependent on american tech.

> Of course investing into chip development is slowing China down.

From a myopic narrow point of view. But viewed more broadly, it has accelerated china's tech development.

> Its slower to build their own than for us to give them those chips.

In the short term, but not the long term. Just like banning china from participating in the international space station forced china to accelerate their development of their space program.

[dragontamer]

> From a myopic narrow point of view. But viewed more broadly, it has accelerated china's tech development.

Yes. I'm fine with this.

Weakening China in the short term means pushing the Taiwan war timeline by years. Years that we will spend building up the DDG(X).

As I said before and I'll say again: USA is weak in 2020s but strong in the 2030s. We only need to delay China by a few years and the DDG(X) changes everything.

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You need to understand that I make my view based on the perceived strength of the US Navy. The US Navy is getting huge upgrades and a few years of delay makes an incredible difference.

[hearsathought]

"We"? Okay buddy.

> USA is weak in 2020s but strong in the 2030s.

The US is the largest economy with an unparalleled military at the moment. What are you talking about?

> The US Navy is getting huge upgrades and a few years of delay makes an incredible difference.

For what? The US Navy will play no role in a war between china and taiwan.

No offense, but who gives a shit about taiwan? Not americans. Only chinese people care about taiwan.

[dragontamer]

> For what? The US Navy will play no role in a war between china and taiwan.

Uhhhhh, Taiwan is an island dude. That's either Marines or Navy. I'm betting Navy will do the heavy lifting given that China is missile heavy.

Marines might be used to shore up anti-landing defenses if China decides to send boots on the ground. But ideally the US Navy prevents the landing entirely.

Said war taking place while we have 1980s-era Arleigh Burke Destroyers would be an attack while our Navy is at our weakest. Anything we can do to delay said war until after the DDG(X) upgrade is to our advantage.

> No offense, but who gives a shit about taiwan? Not americans. Only chinese people care about taiwan.

I'm American and I care? That's why I'm arguing on this point.

Current wargames suggest that USA will be willing to dedicate like 2 carrier strike groups for the defense of Taiwan. I'm not sure if it's enough (especially with the aging Arleigh Burke destroyers), but that's the level of commitment mostly assumed in this scenario if not more.

We have like 14 Carrier strike groups for a reason. We can spare two of them to this task, maybe more.

[beej71]

> Oh, and your plan is to just give them the chips they want directly?

Yes! Remove the impetus for them to innovate and make them reliant on our exports.