[pil0u]

In 50 years, the proportion of the budget allocated to food, halved.

I'm not saying everyone can have the choice to eat healthy, but probably a small majority has.

I live in an area where small, local, sometimes organic producers are gathered to sell their product to the community in a way it is accessible to every budget.

[vkou]

> In 50 years, the proportion of the budget allocated to food, halved.

Sure. But 50 years ago, healthcare and education didn't cost an arm and both legs. In those 5 decades, every single rent-seeker that you need to engage with to live has dipped his hand deeper into our pockets.

> I live in an area where small, local, sometimes organic producers are gathered to sell their product to the community in a way it is accessible to every budget....

You forgot the "For the brief period of time their produce is in season."

Only selling what you have, when you have it removes a lot of costs from food supply chains. If, like the local grocery, those small, local, organic producers had to keep you fed 24/7/365, their prices would go up - by a lot.

I am also pretty confident that those small, local, organic producers aren't the source of most of their customers' caloric demands.

[pil0u]

I live in a part of the world where the healthcare system is also spread across the society in a more equalitarian way than what you describe.

I don't understand your second point. One of my close friends is a farmer, they mostly grow organic apples. They work (insanely hard) across the whole year to prepare the crop and take care of the trees. They are not rich, but it starts to be sustainable. Locally, it's having a community of farmers that grow different things that make you fed across the year, as long as you accept eating exotic food only very occasionally.

Regarding calories, I honestly don't know. What I know for sure is that apples in the 50s had at least an order of magnitude more calories than apples today. Different times, different agricultural practices, different population also, fair.

Obesity has skyrocketed across the whole world. People already eat too much, too much hyper transformed, too much sugar, too many calories.

[vkou]

> I don't understand your second point.

When I go to the grocery, food is available to me at any time of year.

Your friend's apples are only available for ~2 months/of the year. The supply chains that feed the world have to work year-round, and all the people that work them expect to get paid. Availability adds to the cost.

> What I know for sure is that apples in the 50s had at least an order of magnitude more calories than apples today

I have a very hard time believing that the average apple from the 50s had 94 * 10 = 940 calories.

[pil0u]

That's the whole point: don't eat apples from January to December.

[vkou]

Which is the whole problem. Your friend's apple orchard is not a replacement for the modern grocery. It's a seasonal supplement that replaces the cheapest and easiest part of a diet - in-season produce.

And he has to work insanely hard all-year-long to do it.

[catlifeonmars]

> Obesity has skyrocketed across the whole world. People already eat too much, too much hyper transformed, too much sugar, too many calories.

Carbohydrates are way cheaper, but the distribution of nutrients you can get for any price has not gotten cheaper proportionally. Then you factor in choices, like paying rent vs eating healthier, etc etc.

[formerly_proven]

> What I know for sure is that apples in the 50s had at least an order of magnitude more calories than apples today. Different times, different agricultural practices, different population also, fair.

And you know this "for sure" exactly how?

[floren]

The amazing 1000 calorie apple

[tonyedgecombe]

Apples are an exception to the rule as they can be stored for a long time (up to a year for some varieties) under the correct conditions.

[meindnoch]

>What I know for sure is that apples in the 50s had at least an order of magnitude more calories than apples today.

At least an order of magnitude more calories? Just to be on the same page, you're saying that apples in the 50s had at least 10x as much calories as they do today? :DD

You realize an apple is ~10-12% sugar by weight, right? The rest is just water and fibre. So an apple with an order of magnitude more calories would mean a solid block of sugar. (alternatively, an apple that's 10x the size, but we have photos of 50s apples, and they were roughly the same size as today)

[tonyedgecombe]

>I'm not saying everyone can have the choice to eat healthy, but probably a small majority has.

I bet the least healthy options in people's shopping trolleys are some of the most expensive items. Cakes, biscuits, chocolate, ice creams, alcohol, pre-prepared meals, etc.

[epiccoleman]

i'm always a little surprised by how low my cart total is when i just go into the store to refresh a few produce items. that said, eating healthy certainly hasn't gotten any cheaper. i've paid $1+ for a single onion which feels absurd

[onion2k]

In 50 years, the proportion of the budget allocated to food, halved.

Did people choose to do that, or why they forced to by increased costs in other areas?

[TheOtherHobbes]

There are very few areas where it's physically possible to live like that.

And even in those areas many staples will be industrially farmed and imported from other countries, or at least shipped from far away within the same country.