[o11c]

From the Conservative part of my social group, the main one applicable here is pushing elementary school kids to identify as trans. Because young children are very impressionable, and it is forbidden for staff to push back on on it at all, despite the science saying "there is absolutely no such thing as trans before age 12, and much possibility of social trauma from attempting it".

Left-ish people tend to say "this doesn't happen in the real world, it's made up for internet arguments" - and I even said that for a while on this and a few other subjects - but that denial cannot survive extensive contact with the real world.

[ryandrake]

Name some examples of school systems "pushing" kids to identify as trans. The name of the school and individual teacher, plus the wording that counts as "pushing" would be fine. You say this is happening in the real world, so surely you can point to a few examples.

[alimina]

They use teaching resources like the "Genderbread Person", which pushes the harmful and oppressive social construct of gender in a child-like way, describing women and men in terms of sexist stereotypes rather than sex.

[squigz]

Why age 12?

[o11c]

Age 12 happens to be the cutoff used in the scientific studies.

[squigz]

And the conclusion to draw from that is that one absolutely cannot be trans under the age of 12?

[o11c]

To avoid arguments about the definition of "be", the clear conclusion is that if it exists it's indistinguishable prior to that age, so any claims before that age can only be considered noise.

It's critical to remember that "reality has a liberal bias" does not mean "literally every detail of things liberals say is reality".

[squigz]

> the clear conclusion is that if it exists it's indistinguishable prior to that age

How is that clear? How would we know if it's indistinguishable if your studies didn't even look?

[o11c]

The whole point is that the studies explicitly did look, and found a negative result.