[phplovesong]

> And who really cares about bloat anyway? Hardware is super cheap nowadays.

That told me all i need to know. When you work on missing critical software bloat is usually THE killer in disguise. And its really hard to get rid of after a certain point.

> So why not use a framework that enables you to be (in your terms) 100x more productive?

Because i can be just as productive, and even more so by vetting, and choosing my dependencies with some hindsight. I dont cowboy pick some hype of the day thing, i take a real close look at the code and want to actually understand whats happening.

> On top of that, you’re arguing about languages and frameworks you’re not even familiar with.

I am indeed familiar with the PHP ecosystem, been there and done that.