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Many of these indigenous knowledge systems are essentially memory palaces. It's a way to memorize large amounts of information and map that information on some sort of tangible metaphor. Modern western astrology is pretty divorced from the original practice(s), but the original practice actually used a sidereal clock and actually corresponded to the positions of stars. The stars being an important component for navigation, agricultural calendars, etc. Astrology served as a memory palace to store this sort of information.

These metaphors are quite common across the world and over time gain many layers of knowledge. Go a little more east and you'll commonly see the 4 winds, the 4 cardinal directions, the 4 tastes, 4 [insert characteristics of medicinal properties] etc all mapped onto each other.

The most embarrassing part of humanity imo is the arrogance and disregard with which people sometimes approach other cultures

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Additionally, ritual serves a purpose both for individuals and within a broader society - for instance, a bloodletting during a solar eclipse emphasizes both the vulnerability of society to outside affairs (a solar eclipse is a hauntingly humbling experience even to the modern viewer) and the noble’s obligation to society (literally shedding blood to help protect their society). Similar can be seen with some rituals around hunting and gathering - “never kill the first deer/take the first herb you see” serves as a conservation act.

There’s an old line - “religion is the finger that points to the moon” - to your point about religion as a memory palace, most of these practices survived not because the sun god blessed them, but because they had tangible and durable benefits to the societies that practiced them.

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While I can understand how the GP's interpretation/wording isn't helpful at all and I understand it being down voted, there still is a kernel of truth in there.

I think their comment is coming from a place of having a very very HN typical but maybe taken to an extreme rational and fact driven "belief" system.

For example, you say that a solar eclipse is a "hauntingly humbling experience even to the modern viewer". Personally, I can understand that rationally. I can understand that many if not most people can or will feel like that.

But I've witnessed multiple solar eclipses in my lifetime and while they were "cool", I had no "hauntingly humbling experience" whatsoever. It's something that happens and that we have a good scientific understanding of as to why and how it happens. End of story.

I can absolutely appreciate how (think final moments of "Pillars of the Earth") great it must have been to know these things, calculate them or at least understand what's happening when it's happening and use them for "population control". Does it benefit societies? Yes, probably on a general/global level. Like how are you gonna rationally explain and get a large populace to deal with end of winter / start of growing season food scarceness? The best and easiest way is to have them believe in your religion and that fasting is something your god requires/encourages. I firmly believe that that's why many major religions include this.

But as "me" in the modern world, it appalls me that someone thinks they can just tell whatever the eff they want and I'm supposed to do it coz "they speak for <$DEITY>".

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> But I've witnessed multiple solar eclipses in my lifetime and while they were "cool", I had no "hauntingly humbling experience" whatsoever. It's something that happens and that we have a good scientific understanding of as to why and how it happens. End of story.

The fact that a giant celestial body blocking out the source of the energy that powers all life on this planet inspired no awe in you - that an object a quarter the diameter of our planet a couple hundred thousand miles away from us slid in front of the only real source of light and energy our planet has and temporarily cast us into night, with no ability for us to do anything at all to influence affairs whatsoever except to wait for the event to pass, that that inspired no awe or reflection in you about our place in the universe, our limitations as people, the degree to which we're subject to forces we have no impact over at all - I don't really think that's a testament to your superior apprehension of what you were looking at compared to the people who treated it as something worthy of reflection and introspection.

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    The fact that a giant celestial body blocking out the source of the energy that powers all life on this planet inspired no awe in you

No. Why? We live on a larger giant celestial body than that ourselves and there are many others out there that are even larger. And there's giant tiny space rocks flying around and one could randomly come "out of nowhere" and end all life as we know it on the planet and no Bruce Willis would be able to save us.

    with no ability for us to do anything at all to influence affairs whatsoever [...] that inspired no awe

That's exactly it. We can't do anything about that in any way. We also know it's gonna be over soon. No need to start praying or sacrificing animals or something.

    reflection in you about our place in the universe

Why do I need a solar eclipse if I want to think about what we (think we) know about the universe and where we stand? I can still appreciate the eclipse, the fact that there's that giant celestial body you were talking about doing that.

    our limitations as people

Again, why do I need an eclipse for that? Why does it automatically mean I need to think about my limitations?

    I don't really think that's a testament to your superior apprehension of what you were looking at compared to the people who treated it as something worthy of reflection and introspection.

I never claimed any "superior apprehension" like that. Your opinion is your opinion and you're free to have it as well as share it and who would I be to tell you that you can't have it. But don't claim it's universally a "hauntingly humbling experience". You can have this event make you reflect and introspect but you have no right to claim that everyone has to and otherwise they're somehow inferior.