[ianso]

I think this stuff is super important, simply because there is a ton of stuff we can't do using our phones today.

Think mesh networking, resilient ad-hoc application clustering, non-Internet P2P, like Freifunk but everywhere. We shouldn't have to depend on Google or any of the big tech companies for anything except the hardware.

That would offer much more freedom. There are also contexts where this kind of thing could also enable life-saving applications. And unlike todays Internet where a database query in Cloudflare or a DNS bug in es-east-1 can disrupt half the services we use, this kind of technology really could withstand major attacks on infrastructure hubs, like the Internet was originally designed to do.

[dlcarrier]

Twenty years ago, if you told me that by today we'd have smart phones with eight or more cores, each outperforming an average desktop computer of the time, with capacitive OLED touch screens, on a cellular network with hundreds of megabits of bandwidth, I'd find it believable, because that's where technology was headed at the time.

If you said that they'd effectively all be running either a port of OS X or a Linux distribution with a non-GNU but open source userspace, I'd consider that a somewhat unexpected success of open-source software. I would not at all expect that it would be as locked down as video game console.

The more time passes, the less I use my phone for, and the more likely I am to whip out my laptop to accomplish something, like it's 2005.

[asveikau]

The open source components in your android phone are suffering from what FSF called "tivoization" a few decades ago. They can't reasonably be replaced without breaking security measures, a pretty high barrier for most users, even sometimes for advanced users. It removes the biggest benefits of being open source.

[cenamus]

Open source userspace? Google Play Sevices?

[ysnp]

>Think mesh networking, resilient ad-hoc application clustering, non-Internet P2P, like Freifunk but everywhere.

(if dumbed down) What's are the gaps in features and functionality between what you're describing and what might be achievable today (given enough software glue) with an SDR transceiver and something like Reticulum [1] on an Android?

[ianso]

Very good question!

SDR + something like Reticulum or Yggdrasil would definitely provide the infra or network fabric for the kind of thing I'm thinking of.

However, a normal Android, e.g. a Pixel 7, can't to my knowledge be turned into a web server or a podman host for containers. (I know of people hosting websites on old Androids that are flashed or hacked).

Given phones already have a WiFi/WLAN radio chip, it's a shame to need extra kit for connectivity.

It's something that's been on my mind a lot recently and so you provoked me into writing down a series of scenarios in story format that illustrates what SHOULD be possible using current hardware, were it not, as dlcarrier says, locked down like a games console.

Here you go:

https://ianso.blogspot.com/2025/11/what-we-dont-have.html