| > "I do agree that things like EA and Libertarianism have to answer for the in-the-wild proponents they tend to attract" And I said that people tend not to associate themselves with labels that have connotations that they don't like. These two statements are not the same. > "I think social dynamics are real and must be answered for" Yet you completely dismiss my point. > "I will never take a proponent of The Bell Curve seriously who tries to say they're "just following the data", because I do hold them and the book responsible for their social and cultural entanglements" What does this have to do with group associations? > In the face of that, you're trying to claim that I'm ignoring "social indicators as a valid heuristic." Because you never acknowledged my point. > That's not true and no amount of projection or character attacks can make it true. You are the one who started with the insults, I was following suit. > Meanwhile, when I say the subject matter of a belief system matters for its content, you don't engage with it but reply to me by re-asserting the point I agree with as if it does the work of responding to me. Because I wasn't contesting that. I was adding something to it. |
Most tellingly: you dismiss my direct, repeated acknowledgments as 'not counting' while claiming credit for 'adding' a point you never actually verbalized until this moment. Your standard for what constitutes 'acknowledgment' shifts based entirely on whether you're demanding it or taking credit for it.
And the Bell Curve example directly illustrates holding proponents responsible for social entanglements, the exact thing you claim I never addressed.