| In this thread: Bingo card (and their rebuttals): – Effective altruists donate money and think it’s the most effective way to do good. [1][2] – They think that exploiting people is fine if money is given to a good cause. [3][4][5] – They think they are so much morally-superior/better than us. [3] – Sam Bankman-Fried is a thief and he self-identified as an EA, so EA must be bad as a whole. [4][6] – It’s dangerous because it’s an “end justifies the means” philosophy. [4][5] – If it’s not perfect then it’s terrible and has no merit whatsoever. [7][8][9] – They think they are so smart but they just stole the idea of donating part of the income from Christians. [10][11] —————————— [1] https://www.effectivealtruism.org/faqs#objectionsto-effectiv... [2] “80,000 Hours thinks that only a small proportion of people should earn to give long term”: https://80000hours.org/2015/07/80000-hours-thinks-that-only-... [3] What We Owe The Future (EA book): “naive calculations that justify some harmful action because it has good consequences are, in practice, almost never correct.” and “it's wrong to do harm even when doing so will bring about the best outcome.” [4] https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1591218028381102081.html / https://xcancel.com/willmacaskill/status/1591218028381102081 [5] The Precipice (EA book): “Don't act without integrity. When something immensely important is at stake and others are dragging their feet, people feel licensed to do whatever it takes to succeed. We must never give in to such temptation. A single person acting without integrity could stain the whole cause and damage everything we hope to achieve.” [6] “Bankman-Fried agreed his ethically driven approach was "mostly a front".”: https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20231009-ftxs-sam-bankm... [7] “It’s perfectly okay to be an imperfect effective altruist”: https://www.givingwhatwecan.org/blog/its-perfectly-okay-to-b... [8] “Mistakes we’ve made”: https://www.centreforeffectivealtruism.org/our-mistakes [9] “GiveWell's Impact”: https://www.givewell.org/about/impact [10] There is a large Christian community within EA. “We are Christians excited about doing the most good possible.”: https://www.eaforchristians.org/ [11] Many EAs consider Christian charity to be one of the seeds of EA. “A potential criticism or weakness of effective altruism is that it appeals only to a narrow spectrum of society, and exhibits a ‘monoculture’ of ideas. I introduce Dorothea Brooke, a literary character who I argue was an advocate for the principles of effective altruism -- as early as 1871 -- in a Christian ethical tradition”: https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/TsbLgD4HHpT5vrFQC/... |