[rguillebert]

yes, and if you pay less taxes, then it won't be able to pay for it, and if a government can't pay education, then there's less employees competent enough for your start-up. Same goes for a lot of thing the government pays. And government is the only one who is (realistically) able to pay for it.

[digitalengineer]

We're not talking about paying less taxes. We're talking about the more and more taxes to pay for a government that is -in essence- broke. Hollande basically promised everybody everything and is now facing reality. Like they say: "You can deny reality, but you can not deny the consequences of denying reality".

[rguillebert]

Let's face it, there's not an infinite number of unnecessary spending, at some point you have to be close to a balanced budget and even though I think taxing entrepreneurs too much is a bad idea, they aren't starving and I think asking for a little solidarity isn't too much to ask.

You probably don't want to pay for "those lazy public sector employees" (and if you do, forget this sentence) but it's just a front for selfishness.

[digitalengineer]

"Asking for a little solidarity" is in my opinion not the point. You know, entrepreneurs are a resourceful bunch. Every society needs people that are willing to take risks. Hollande is acting like he's on an island. I can tell you right now his actions are causing reactions. Startups that won't happen in France/ Paris but in Berlin, Brussels, Amsterdam, London... All are just a few hours away.

By the way, you make it sound as if being selfish is a bad thing ;-)

[rguillebert]

Then what are they complaining about ? If you don't care about France, just leave

[digitalengineer]

They are it's not something to rejoice about... "“Seen from abroad, France is the last country where an entrepreneur wants to go,” Marc Simoncini, the founder of French dating site Meetic. com, said in an interview on BFM TV last week.

“I don’t know of any British person who’s come to set up a business in France. But I know plenty of young French people who’ve gone to London to do that.”" http://business.financialpost.com/2012/05/14/french-entrepre...

[rguillebert]

We can all agree that France isn't entrepreneur friendly but it's easy to say "don't tax us" and it's a lot harder to find places where money can be saved.

Right now if you want to tax the high middle class and higher (that includes entrepreneurs who can leave France), they threaten to leave, I don't see how starting negotiations by making threats is a good thing.

[raverbashing]

Funny, the US should be the worse place for startups then since the government doesn't pay for people to go to universities there.

[mempko]

Notice many people working at tech startup in silicon valley are either A) Rich already and went to Ivy League or could afford a good university education, or 2) Foreigners who got their education elsewhere.

[raverbashing]

Well, before the student loan craze it was not difficult to find an affordable university in the US.

Certainly not Ivy League, but not bad.

E.g.: http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/education/2004-09-08-tui...

Today an Ivy League tuition year will set you back around 40k (possibly more) http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/...

[rguillebert]

They still pay until high school.