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by JKCalhoun 210 days ago
That's fair. If the actor (and it's a Chinese state actor here) is what is being questioned as "bullshit" then that should be the discourse in the article and in this thread.

Instead the lack of a paper trail from Anthropic seems to be having people questioning the whole event?
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dangus 209 days ago
State sponsorship can include the state looking the other way.
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brookst 209 days ago
So all attacks anywhere are state sponsored?
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oarsinsync 209 days ago
> > State sponsorship can include the state looking the other way.

> So all attacks anywhere are state sponsored?

There's a difference between a deliberate decision to look away, and unawareness through lack of oversight.

You steal candy from a store. There's a difference between the security guard seeing you and deliberately looking away, compared to just not seeing you at all.

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spopejoy 209 days ago
Not really? APTs would seem to be either criminal enterprises or state-sponsored because SOMEBODY has to be paying the big bucks.

So yes, probably 100% of criminal enterprises are paying off officials, but if that's the definition of "state sponsored" then the term loses any meaning.

EDIT I guess there's also "legit" businesses like Palantir/NSO group, but I would argue any firm like that is effectively state-sponsored as they are usually revolving doors with NSA-type agencies, the military etc.

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hnthrowaway747 209 days ago
Exactly, and anyone without even needing much evidence to do so.

It’s allowed in the current day and time to criticize someone else for not providing evidence, even when that evidence would make it easier for the attackers to tune their attack to prevent being identified, and everyone will be like “Yeah, I’m mad, too! Anthropic sucks!” When in the process that only creates friction for the only company that’s spent significant ongoing effort to prevent an AI disasters by trying to be the responsible leader.

I’ve really had my fill of the current climate where people are quick to criticize an easy target just because they can rally anger. Anyone can rally anger. If you must rally anger, it should be against something like hypocrisy, not because you just get mad at things that everyone else hates.

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