[lysace]

Non-US perspective: ”Progressive” and ”conservative” labels don’t make much sense to me these days.

Perhaps you need another way of thinking about these things.

[terminalshort]

Of course they don't. Political labels don't cross national boundaries easily. Even right next door in Canada "conservative" means nothing like it does in the US.

[tehjoker]

Yea they do when you have a firm foundation on political theory. However, parties often diverge from their name.

[Workaccount2]

And people often have no idea what the actual principles of an ideology are, they go with whatever their friends/family/bubble says is good.

[tehjoker]

that’s true, but usually there is some kind of foundational need that is being satisfied by the candidate or policies, or in the case of middle class people, some kind of postmodern spectacle as was innovated in the 1930s

[badc0ffee]

Another non-US perspective - you can't tell them how to think about their weird political camps.

We saw this play out with Uber. The "progressive" side wants things to be more regulated and frames it in terms of protecting vulnerable people from unchecked corporate power. The "conservative" side does wants less regulation and more competition to keep things from stagnating economically.

The same thing is happening with AI, and with self driving cars.

It's sort of counterintuitive that on the surface, at least in this case, the "conservative" side is the one welcoming change and the "progressive" side rejects it.

You see this federally in the US. The "conservatives" want to tear down all the institutions, but they'll frame it as a return to traditional values like self sufficiency and freedom. The "progressives" want a return to the Biden era, in the name of people depending on these programs.

[lysace]

Many Canadians here, but I guess that makes sense.

To the rest of the world (right or wrong) you are culturally pretty much the same as Americans.

Yes. I know. Your political scene is wildly different.