[ninetyninenine]

no it's not I work on AI and what these things do are much much more then a search engine or an autocomplete. If an autocomplete passed the turing test you'd dismiss it because it's still an autocomplete.

The characterization you are regurgitating here is from laymen who do not understand AI. You are not just mildly wrong but wildly uninformed.

[versteegen]

Well, I also work on AI, and I completely agree with you. But I've reached the point of thinking it's hopeless to argue with people about this: It seems that as LLMs become ever better people aren't going to change their opinions, as I had expected. If you don't have good awareness of how human cognition actually works, then it's not evidently contradictory to think that even a superintelligent LLM trained on all human knowledge is just pattern matching and that humans are not. Creativity, understanding, originality, intent, etc, can all be placed into a largely self-consistent framework of human specialness.

[MangoToupe]

To be fair, it's not clear human intelligence is much more than search or autocomplete. The only thing that's clear here is that LLMs can't reproduce it.

[ninetyninenine]

Yes but colloquially this characterization you see used by laymen is deliberately used to deride AI and dismiss it. It is not honest about the on the ground progress AI has made and it’s not intellectual honest about the capabilities and weaknesses of Ai.

[MangoToupe]

I disagree. The actual capabilities of LLMs remain unclear, and there's a great deal of reasons to be suspicious of anyone whose paycheck relies on pimping them.

[ninetyninenine]

The capabilities of LLMs are unclear but it is clear that they are not just search engines or autocompletes or stochastic parrots.

You can disagree. But this is not an opinion. You are factually wrong if you disagree. And by that I mean you don’t know what you’re talking about and you are completely misinformed and lack knowledge.

The long term outcome if I’m right is that AI abilities continue to grow and it basically destroys my career and yours completely. I stand not to benefit from this reality and I state it because it is reality. LLMs improve every month. It’s already to the point of where if you’re not vibe coding you’re behind.

[MangoToupe]

> It’s already to the point of where if you’re not vibe coding you’re behind.

I like being productive, not babysitting a semi-literate program incapable of learning

[ninetyninenine]

Let me be utterly clear. People with your level of programming skill who incorporate AI into their workflow are in general significantly more productive than you. You are a less productive, less effective programmer if you are not using AI. That is a fundamental fact. And all of this was not true a year ago.

Again if you don’t agree then you are lost and uninformed. There are special cases where there are projects where human coding is faster but that is a minority.