[JumpCrisscross]

> Comparing it to the war in Ukraine ("Even in Ukraine") isn't really helpful or informative

Why not?

40% of bombing victims in Gaza are under 10. What fraction of the population is? How does that compare to Ukraine’s demographic and bombing victim distributions?

These are valid questions for contextualising a conflict.

[culi]

The majority of deaths in Gaza are women and children. Nearly 70%.[1] The reason we talk about "women and children" in Gaza is because Israel can accuse any adult man of being a militant. Statistics from Ukraine are harder to get but according to the OHCR,[2] we know that 39% of non-combatant casualties are women and less than 5% are children. What percent of total deaths are civilians is the hard part, but in Donbas about 25% of casualties were civilian.[3]

  (.39 + .05) * .25 = .11

So we have a 70% women/children rate vs about a 11% (very very roughly calculated) women/children rate. Yes the nature of these conflicts are extremely different.

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn5wel11pgdo

[2] https://www.ohchr.org/en/meeting-summaries/2023/07/ukraine-c...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrain...

[JumpCrisscross]

> So we have a 70% women/children rate vs about a 11% (very very roughly calculated) women/children rate

Sure. This is how "comparing it to the war in Ukraine" is both helpful and informative.

[mattmaroon]

Actually the answer is almost 40%. Gaza had a young and fast growing (one of the fastest in the world) population before the war. Some estimates even indicate their population has continued to grow (though at a very reduced rate) even during, but no reliable statistics have been collected.

[andrepd]

Unfortunately the reality in Gaza is way more severe than the reality in Ukraine in nearly every conceivable metric: deaths, famine, buildings destroyed, farms, schools, hospitals, journalists killed, shortages (by blockade) of essential goods...

And Ukraine is a massive war with over a million casualties, so imagine that.

[mcny]

Just the fact that there is now a whole generation of children who have missed over two years of school.

One child missing two years of school is already a tragedy. A whole generation missing school, starving, under constant risk of violence and death, this is the first thing I think of when I think of Gaza.

I'm not even a Palestine "supporter" but I will not longer support the state of Israel for any reason, even if the "good guys" come to power.

[wara23arish]

a lot of these kids are missing limbs, it breaks my heart

[sir0010010]

How is it more severe if the Ukraine war resulted in over a million casualties?