[jeffclark]

It's the strangest thing. It's like having a blog and access to Hacker News makes self-proclaimed "seasoned" programers forget that they, too, probably had really crappy code when they started programming.

Instead of bashing green programmers who coincidentally became interested programming at the same time that Rails makes it so easy to start, why not offer them up a list of resources to make them better?

Humans are only born knowing how to cry and swallow. Nobody's born knowing how to program. Let's give Rails the props it deserves for lowering the barrier to entry for making web applications and look forward to the future where these new programmers are making things to make our lives easier.

[ehutch79]

He's not bashing green programmers. He's bashing on programmers with years under their belt who never got any better, and don't participate in any community.

[potatolicious]

> "I'm worried about the portion of Rails developers who sucked at their previous language. Or the ones who got started with Rails as their first "language" without finding the proper (or current) resources or guidance"

No, he really isn't. He is totally bashing green programmers.

[twiceaday]

In gaming this is the difference between a newbie and a noob.

[factorialboy]

So true. I started off writing really shitty Perl and PHP code. Some of my Java and ActionScript was also nothing to be proud off. Yet I think I write nice code today.

The key is not to be judgemental.

If you think there's a problem, don't point fingers. Go out there and help fix the problem. With compassion and understanding.