[lazide]

You do know COINTELPRO and MKULTRA not only existed, but were organized efforts with significant funding and energy behind them, right?

And that Area 51 not only exists, but does a lot of work under the veil of explicit, organized, secrecy? And has for a very, very long time now?

Just because there are bullshit conspiracy theories doesn’t mean there aren’t very real conspiracies going on too.

[dredmorbius]

Note too that the FBI directly hosts much of the evidence of these programmes, for those with doubts as to their veracity:

<https://vault.fbi.gov/>

COINTELPRO: <https://vault.fbi.gov/cointel-pro/White%20Hate%20Groups/COIN...>

And the CIA on MKULTRA: <https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/06760269>

[red-iron-pine]

CONINTELPRO was FBI and was based on domestic surveillance against real and perceived communist influence. It did indeed have significant funding and push behind it.

90% of what they did was aggressive and likely unconstitutional, but make no mistake there were absolutely agitators in the US being pushed by the USSR -- and which date back to the original "Active Measures" pushed by the USSR.

[etc-hosts]

Main funder of the US Communist Party during the COINTELPRO era was... surprise.. the FBI, they wanted to use the CP to keep tabs on possible spying or agitation efforts by Soviet Union's in the US.

[lazide]

squints and this makes it not a conspiracy…. How?

Especially since evidence was only discovered because of a random copy of documents they forgot to shred, but did shred all the rest of them.