[guitarbill]

Downvote or not, it's true:

> NHTSA conducts frontal, side and rollover tests because these types account for the majority of crashes on America's roadways.

> IIHS tests evaluate two aspects of safety: crashworthiness — how well a vehicle protects its occupants in a crash — and crash avoidance and mitigation — technology that can prevent a crash or lessen its severity.

> As well as assessing how well cars protect their occupants, Euro NCAP tests how well they protect those vulnerable road users – pedestrians and cyclists – with whom they might collide.

[potato3732842]

That's misleading. They don't test for pedestrian safety as part of the normal tests. But they test for it generally, not specific to any model and use those results to inform their rules about what can and can't be sold. Same story with rollover testing.

This is why hood ornaments mostly died and flip up headlights fully died. The NHTSA doesn't write rules that ban specific features. You can do anything it meets the requirements. You can make brake hoses out of woven spaghetti if you want. It'll probably cost you a lot to get them to a performance point where they meet the rules though.

Furthermore, the NHTSA doesn't do most testing. The testing must be done and the testing needs to meet NHTSA standards but the OEMs are free to DIY it or outsource.

[guitarbill]

> Same story with rollover testing.

That's for occupants.

> Furthermore, the NHTSA doesn't do most testing.

Which is why I quoted IIHS and other non-US testing.

> NHTSA standards

Which standards are for e.g. pedestrian safety? The hood ornament thing?

> That's misleading. They don't test for pedestrian safety as part of the normal tests. But they test for it generally

No, it isn't and no they didn't/don't. E.g. GAO report from 2020 [0]:

> NHTSA’s last substantial update of NCAP was in July 2008 (with changes effective for model year 2011 vehicles). This update established additional crash tests and technical standards to protect vehicle occupants, but did not include pedestrian safety tests.

Or from NHTSA itself in 2022 [1], although note this is a "proposal" and "recommendations":

> For the first time ever, NCAP includes technology recommendations not only for drivers and passengers but for road users outside the vehicle, like pedestrians. The proposal [...]. We look forward to reviewing the comments we receive and considering them as we complete this important work.”

They will/might, by adopting Euro NCAP [2]:

> This final decision notice adds a crashworthiness pedestrian protection program to the New Car Assessment Program (NCAP) to evaluate new model year vehicles’ abilities to mitigate pedestrian injuries. Based on its previous research, NHTSA concurs with and adopts most of the European New Car Assessment Programme’s (Euro NCAP) pedestrian crashworthiness assessment methods [...]

> These changes to the New Car Assessment Program are effective for the 2026 model year.

But as of yet, this does not appear on their NCAP ratings: https://www.nhtsa.gov/ratings/resources-related-nhtsas-new-c...

[0]: https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-20-419.pdf

[1]: https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/five-star-safety-rating...

[2]: https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/2024-11/NCAP-Fin...

[soared]

NHTSA outlawed hood ornaments purely for pedestrian safety, so it’s not 100% correct.

[hamdingers]

One thing for pedestrians in 1968 and nothing since then. I'd say that's four, maybe five nines of correctness.