[shermantanktop]

I was a tube amp tech for several years, have built multiple guitar amps from scratch, and still dabble in it.

What may not be obvious is that modern tube amp designs are an evolutionary branch from 1930's technology, with only a little coming across from the transistor->digital tech tree. The amps of the 40s and 50s were pretty closely based on reference designs that came from RCA and other tube manufacturers.

Modern passive components (resistors, diodes and caps) are made to a far higher tolerance and are better understood, but tubes and transformers are a mixed bag. The older designs were somewhat overbuilt and can be more reliable or have tonal characteristics that are not available in modern parts.

[mickael-kerjean]

I always found fascinating the power section of valve amp for guitar will always be made of a very basic rectifier circuit to convert AC to DC that requires a expensive transformer and produce power with a terrible efficiency compared to more modern SMPS. Why is it nobody interested in valve amp never go the SMPS path? Is it all because sag is a desirable sound distortion?

[theamk]

You mean a modern construction with semiconductor-based SMPS, but tube for output? If so, plenty of those, here is hit #2 in my google search for "guitar tube amplifier": "Orange Micro Terror" [0]. This one take 15V DC input - no way you can get this to tubes without some sort of SMPS.

Or do you mean why people who do period-authentic tube amps don't use SMPS? That's because tube-based SMPS is very complex, often as complex as amplifier itself, and needs unusual parts [1].

[0] https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MicroTerror--orange-...

[1] https://www.righto.com/2018/09/glowing-mercury-thyratrons-in...

[atoav]

The rectifier is an audible part of the circuit, you can definitely tell e.g. between tube rectifiers and diode based ones.

SMPS have been somewhat problematic with audio circuits when they were new, especially when it comes to noise and "musicality". A overdimensioned toroid transformer with a rectifier is inefficient, but an extremely simple design which allows people without too much electrical engineering knowledge to get a decent result without expensive measurement equipment.

This is a bit similar to early PCB-use in guitar amplifiers. Back then some manufacturers did a shit job with their PCBs and since then guitarists think hand-wired is always superior to PCBs.

Guitarists are traditionalists and thus the amount of innovation in that space moves slower than elsewhere.

[dreamcompiler]

I noticed the same thing. Like, why not at least use a fullwave rectifier with semiconductor diodes? Surely nobody believes that a tube diode in the power supply makes any audible difference.

[shermantanktop]

What, like a 5Y3? Listen to Neil Young’s tone on Cinnamon Girl. That’s the sag and compression of a cranked tube rectifier.

[cartoonworld]

Sometimes it does, for example, just like gp mentions, a tube rectifier in a single ended amp can have a voltage “sag” that interacts with the rest of the system and causes an interactive “color” in the output, especially when amplifying larger voltage swings of bass notes and chords.

There are quite a few effects like this. In a modern design this would be eliminated, but sometimes “bad” is good :)

[beAbU]

Tube amp people will believe anything that helps them justify their product ownership.

[Craighead]

Let me rewrite that without the condescending tone: Artists that output sound invest time and money into crafting how they are heard. Is there tube amp elitism? Absolutely. Do tube amps "sound better"? I dunno. But clearly the market for them and the demand for inefficient circuits that sound different than more efficient circuits stays seemingly consistent and may even go up.

[cartoonworld]

There is a little more than that.

A guitarist who plays electrified isn't just playing the guitar; the entire signal chain becomes the instrument. Everything from the room to the fingers of the player alter the sound and how a person plays their instrument and for some even the temperature of the room makes a concrete, quantifiable difference.

Music appreciation is largely cultural as well. The history of music is full of people hearing sounds, becoming accustomed to them and reproducing them with a novel variation. This is exemplified by many recent genres like hip hop, rap, jazz, rock, folk music and so on. There were and are entire genres of music and specific artists that revolve around certain tools. For example the Sunn brand of amplifier, especially the Model T which is venerated by some subgenres of metal or Jimmy Hendrix and his Fuzz Face pedal (and his wah and octaver and amp, and .....)

Naturally, musicians seek to pay homage to and recreate the atmosphere and feel of a specific song, instrument, artist, genre or time period. Until fairly recently, modeling and digital tools had a lot of trouble replicating the sound and interaction of these vintage, analog circuits and even today the most straightforward way to achieve a specific style is often to simply buy or clone the old-school original instruments and equipment.

While digital modelling has come a long way, arguably surpassing most of the original equipment, the rarity, variation and uniqueness leads players to continually seek out the Real Deal in order to achieve an authentic style or sound.

An example of this entire idea is the DRUMETRICS collective, whose entire purpose is to write and record new and modern performances with original vintage instruments and recording equipment. Heres a link to one: "Pale Horse" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZqoFf859Xw

[pjc50]

SMPS do output high-frequency noise, and the PSRR of tube amps is very bad.