[fainpul]

> When you do that, programs up and down the stream need to be aware of that - and that makes it brittle.

You can go from object- to good old text processing with *nix tools no problem.

Instead of using 100% PowerShell to count all lines in the text files:

  gc *.txt | measure | select -ExpandProperty count

you can switch to `wc` if you like:

  gc *.txt | wc -l

`gc` is Get-Content – basically cat. You can also use awk, sed, jq etc.

[forgotpwd16]

What GP talks about is illustrated with the following modification of your example:

  PS /home/user> gc *.txt | measure | cat | select -ExpandProperty Count
  Select-Object: Property "Count" cannot be found.
  Select-Object: Property "Count" cannot be found.
  Select-Object: Property "Count" cannot be found.
  Select-Object: Property "Count" cannot be found.
  Select-Object: Property "Count" cannot be found.
  Select-Object: Property "Count" cannot be found.
  Select-Object: Property "Count" cannot be found.
  Select-Object: Property "Count" cannot be found.
  Select-Object: Property "Count" cannot be found.

Essentially at every step you need to consider whether the preceding command outputs objects or not. This isn't the case with the Unix way. The pipeline always carries a stream of bytes. You only have to consider how to interpret that stream.

[jcgl]

> Essentially at every step you need to consider whether the preceding command outputs objects or not.

This is true, no matter what language, paradigm, or even universe you're in; data that gets passed into a pipeline needs to have the abstract shape that the pipeline expects. This is always true, and it's every bit as true of unix byte streams.

You can of course have pipelines that try to coerce data or assert its structure. The PowerShell example you showed does the latter, and raises an error message that the assertion failed.

Unix byte streams do neither. There's no coercion, no assertion. Just blind trust. When you have IFS set incorrectly, you simply get a wrong answer. When you grab the wrong field number with cut or awk, you get a wrong (or empty) answer. The input data matters every bit as much with unix as it does with every other system of computation. What changes are characteristics like brittleness and enforceability of invariants.

[fainpul]

jcgl already answered this well. My example was merely to show that you can go from PS objects to old fashioned text processing without issues. Any non-PS tool will just receive the text representation of the objects – exactly as you see them in the terminal. I wasn't trying to imply you can go back and forth between them like magic (which should be obvious).

Once you have lost the objects and work with simple text, you have to use the text processing tools of PS, if that's what you want to do. To continue your example:

  gc *.txt | measure | cat | sls count 

sls (Select-String) is like grep.

(Note: this example is nonsense, just to show that it works)