[cultofmetatron]

I lament what could have been with heroku. I did some back of the envelope calculations for what it would have cost for my own startup to run on it and it came out to significantly more than what it costs us on aws INCLUDING our dedicated devops guy. They really killed its utility for anything bigger than a hobby project.

[czhu12]

This is exactly why we built https://canine.sh, to try to rebuild Heroku in the open source

We begged heroku for years to lower their prices but they just kept increasing it.

I even showed a rep a side by side comparison of heroku vs raw AWS costs and it was 8x. Absolutely couldn’t justify

[gosukiwi]

Isn't Dokku doing that already?

[ptman]

There are several https://gist.github.com/ptman/1b9e3a992e6c8aeecc86b5f1fd1c5f...

[debarshri]

Community compiled list of Heroku alternatives.

https://github.com/debarshibasak/awesome-paas

[sleepy_keita]

Yeah. It used to be the go-to for starting simple projects. We have quite a bit of other options in this space now, though - GH Pages, Cloudflare workers, Vercel, Netlify, etc etc...

[cpursley]

Those are static site providers. For actual server paas that can run docker containers, render.com and fly.io are what heroku could have evolved to.

[kirillkosolapov]

As the founder of a local cloud very similar to Heroku, I understand Heroku's limitations. It's a balance between control and convenience. The simpler everything is, the better it's suited for small projects, but the less control you have for complex projects. Unless you're just running a hobby project, you'll be using Kubernetes and similar services with full control and the complexity that comes with it. Heroku uses AWS, which means they can't make computations cheaper, otherwise the economics don't add up.

In my experience, we (I won't advertise) have prices several times lower, and we try very hard to accommodate more serious projects, but 99% of projects are small and consume less than 200 MB of RAM. This is simply the nature of this market and product.

[mycall]

Is there some layers that run over kubernetes that makes it work similar to heroku in ease? That would either be the best or the worst of both worlds, unsure.

[cpursley]

I’ll bite, what’s your product. I’m always interested in these types of platforms.

[netdevphoenix]

It's hard to compare, surely as heroku is basically aws + virtual 24/7 generic dev ops guy. Aws will always be cheaper because heroku itself runs on it. Afaik, the USP of heroku is deployment ease for small/medium projects. If you need complex setups, you need to roll your own in aws.

[catlover76]

> I lament what could have been with heroku. I did some back of the envelope calculations for what it would have cost for my own startup to run on it and it came out to significantly more than what it costs us on aws INCLUDING our dedicated devops guy.

That's...nuts. o_O

Are you doing something special, do you guys already have a lot of traffic?

[dtech]

No, Heroku is just bonkers expensive