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> Go back and listen to what the media was saying about the vaccines when they were first released: you won't get COVID, you won't spread COVID

You’re making the claim. Show me.

I remember this debate happening online. It was stupid then as it is now. The clinical outcomes were clear as day: reduced hospitalisation. And Jonas Salk’s original polio vaccine was non-sterilising and not only not non-infecting, but actively infecting.

AnimalMuppet 216 days ago

I saw those statements. Sorry, no, can't be arsed to find proof, because it's not my claim. But it was definitely being stated, publicly, by authoritative-sounding people. IIRC at least some were in the administration (or in government health agencies, which from the public's perception amounts to the same thing).

> in the administration (or in government health agencies, which from the public's perception amounts to the same thing)

It's wrong for a politican to lie. But if someone is confusing the President and CDC, I'm not seeing any bright paths ahead for them.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/22/politics/fact-check-biden-cnn...

>You’re making the claim. Show me.

The fact that you are unaware of it means you've got your head-in-the-sand.

"Calling on Americans to get vaccinated against Covid-19, Biden said, “If you’re vaccinated, you’re not going to be hospitalized, you’re not going to be in the ICU unit and you’re not going to die.”"

Are those facts?

> If you’re vaccinated, you’re not going to be hospitalized, you’re not going to be in the ICU unit and you’re not going to die

What part of this says “you won't get COVID, you won't spread COVID”?

raincole 216 days ago

> But then, during a third exchange, Biden said that since the vaccines “cover” the highly transmissible Delta variant of the virus: “You’re not going to get Covid if you have these vaccinations.”

It's... literally the next paragraph. Right next to the part you quoted.

> literally the next paragraph

I see it now. That's misleading. It contains a nugget of truth inasmuch as a vaccinated person has lower odds of a SARS-CoV-2 infection turning into Covid, but it's not a guarantee. (Nothing in immunology is, but that's a punt.)

It should have been couched, it wasn't, and I can see someone seeing that as lying.

That said, if Biden had used more delicate words, do you think these folks would have taken their MMRs? Are people who make stupid decisions for the next decade because Trump lies about everything sympathetic because they couldn't evaluate source authority?

> Right next to the part you quoted

I was quoting the comment I responded to.

You asked for a source. I gave you one. It had multiple lies in it. You didn't even open the link.

Now you are pretending that someone can't go on YouTube and find more lies about the vaccines from the likes of people like Rachel Maddow. People have assembled long clips, it's a meme.

"Nuggets of truth", my lord, pure delusion.

"But but but what about some hypothetical scenario where the president didn't lie?"

We will never know, will we?

Exactly. For those following along, take note about how this interaction with JumpCrisscross went.

These people will lie. Deny. Gaslight. Move goalposts. Ask for sources they have no intention of looking at. Then lie some more.

Imagine claiming, "No one lied about the vaccines" in 2025 and asking for proof when challenged. It's absurd.

An yet, he has a long posting history here; we know he's not oblivious. So what are the incentives to pretend it never happened?

What a pathetic reply.

You made the claim: >Nobody lied about vaccines.

I posted a link from a left-leaning source, fact-checking the PRESIDENT literally lying about vaccine efficacy. Then you move on to something else.

Well, that's in there too, but you didn't read, did you?

"You’re not going to get Covid if you have these vaccinations.”"

I posted one resource, I'm not doing your research for you. The fact that you deny this indicates you are completely brain-rotted. Enjoy.

tzs 216 days ago

You said they lied when they said "you won't get COVID, you won't spread COVID".

Someone doubted you. You responded by posting a quote from President Biden: "If you’re vaccinated, you’re not going to be hospitalized, you’re not going to be in the ICU unit and you’re not going to die."

That does not support your earlier claim. There is support for your earlier claim at the site you took the quote from, but the usual convention here is that if you quote a site you quote the part that supports your argument.

Yeah, ignore the 3 lies in the quote I posted, then ignore the other lies in the article. That's your convention, I get it.

fabian2k 216 days ago

Those claims were true for the original COVID strain. They were not for the late strains, so that is why the message changed. Because the facts changed.

bjourne 216 days ago

No! YOU made the claim. YOU prove it.