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by AndrewKemendo 222 days ago
No the chinese people, most of whom do not have a ICE car, do not produce those carbon numbers

China is where the west exported pollution to by the fact that we pushed most of the deadly and dangerous production and manufacturing there.

So all the west does is launder pollution through east and southeastern asia.
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rafabulsing 222 days ago
How does that excuse China's pollution? They still chose to do that, no one forced them to. I do agree that other countries are guilty of China's pollution as well, but that certainly does not excuse China choice to do that pollution laundering for them.
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AndrewKemendo 222 days ago
It doesn’t. The right answer is that both China and the West suck and should have worked together to reduce consumption rather than accept the waste-surveillance capitalism system they both accelerated from 1970-present

It’s like trying to reduce prostitution, when society is demanding more sex, do you jail the prostitutes or the tricks?

If there’s no demand for sex workers then there’s no sex worker market. However if nobody is struggling to survive, then theres no supply.

You need to end the desire for consumption in order to eliminate authoritarianism

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rafabulsing 222 days ago
Right. So what was your point when you replied to a commenter saying the US and China are equally bad, pollution wise, with

> No the chinese people, most of whom do not have a ICE car, do not produce those carbon numbers

That sounds to me like you're saying that China is not as bad as the US, because the pollution in China comes in some part from laundered pollution from the US. If that's not the case, could you explain what you meant?

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AndrewKemendo 222 days ago
You can’t do carbon production attribution the same between a consumption and a production nation at the per capita level

Someone paying to fly a private jet and a slave putting coal into a furnace aren’t the same

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rafabulsing 222 days ago
I really don't see that as a fair comparison. OP wasn't equating individual citizens, they were equating the nations as a whole. And China, as a state, definitely isn't akin to a slave being forced to do this dirty work.
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