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by nakamoto_damacy 221 days ago
Will it ever run in WASM?

EDIT: there is Lumen, but not sure if it's stalled or still going.

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Usage

It is not immediately clear what the intended usage pattern for Lumen and WebAssembly is.

Pros and Cons

Things we like:

    The idea of having both runtime and code compile is cool
Things we’re not big fans of:

    We could not immediately figure out exactly how Lumen works, and builds appear to be failing
    The project might be stalled or unmaintained. It has not been updated in over a year.
WebAssembly’s goal is to be a “portable execution layer” — an OS abstraction. If WASM becomes the standard runtime across browsers, servers, and edge networks, something still has to orchestrate thousands of concurrent tasks, message queues, supervisors, restarts, etc.

Erlang/OTP already solves that — beautifully.

So, the motivation is:

“What if BEAM’s concurrency runtime could itself be compiled to WebAssembly — and become the actor system of the WebAssembly world?”

That’s why projects like Firefly and Lumen are interesting: they’re exploring whether Erlang’s runtime model can become part of the WASM ecosystem — just like how Go and Rust shaped the serverless world.

> Will it ever run in WASM?

A ten-second search reveals [0]. (Have Kids These Days forgotten all about Emscripten?) However, given that web browser pages are often short-lived, I don't see what benefit bringing in all of Erlang and its VM gets you, other than the fact that you've pulled off the stunt.

[0] <https://www.antvaset.com/erlang-otp-wasm>

WASM runs on the edge, e.g. in Cloudflare workers (but I mean more generally) .. And it is an emerging compatibility layer