[dwattttt]

"Those (the Penn family) who would give up essential Liberty (money & power), to purchase a little temporary Safety (a veto over a taxation dispute, trying to raise money from the Penn family), deserve neither Liberty (said money & power) nor Safety (the defense that said taxed money would've bought from the present French & Indian wars)"

[zahlman]

The context of the original quote doesn't prevent others from finding it more generally applicable or well-put.

[potato3732842]

It's kind of funny if you think about it. Franklin spent so many years arguing for liberty, low taxes and limited government that when he tried to argue in favor of taxation and federal power he unintentionally still argued in favor of the former.

[Terr_]

A lot of our political discussions and systems these days are warped by a failure to understand the ways that state-versus-federal differences have changed over time.

Even today, it's not necessarily hypocritical for someone to argue that states should do more X while the federal government should do less X.

[dwattttt]

It doesn't, but at that point you're not referencing what a person meant, you're saying something they didn't intend with their words. You might as well make your point with your words, instead of misleadingly quoting someone else.

[Terr_]

> Those (the Penn family) who would give up essential Liberty

No, you've got it half-backwards.

He's saying the democratic legislature shouldn't forever give up the citizens' collective Liberty to tax the ultra-mega-rich (Penns) in exchange for a one-time Security payment from those rich near-nobles.

https://www.npr.org/2015/03/02/390245038/ben-franklins-famou...

[dwattttt]

Ironically you're correct, and yet I'm still closer to the original meaning than the typical quotation.