[Yaina]

I like the EU, but what's annoying about things like this, or the Chat Control law that keeps getting pushed, is that civil society and privacy advocacy groups always need to stay vigilant and keep mobilizing people. It's an attrition game.

I wonder what harm companies are even claiming. But honestly makes perfect sense that Germany's current conservative government is in favor of it. Giant GDP boosts are always just one deregulation away, hm?

[matsz]

> Giant GDP boosts are always just one deregulation away, hm?

Honestly, reducing the complexity of incorporating and paying taxes in Germany would quickly improve the dire situation of startups here. It's so bad right now that a tax advisor straight up told me to move to a less business-hostile country.

[Yaina]

Totally agree!! But you never see anything remotely close to proposals like that from the people claiming they want less bureaucracy.

When they say less bureaucracy / deregulation, they just talk about tax cuts, less consumer protections and at worst artificially boosting large companies that are not innovating.

What is desperately needed is making the system less cumbersome and convoluted

[scotty79]

They should just copy Polish laws. They are far from perfect, and yet they provided Poland with almost 30 years of stable, few percent growth, regardless of global and European economic struggles. When you plot the chart of Polish GDP even such a significant event as entering EU doesn't even register in the shape of the growth.

[matsz]

True, I was considering going back to Poland for business... if only Poland was more politically stable.

[scotty79]

It recently had a bit of tax law upheaval, but things settled down since then. As for other issues it's politically stable, by which I mean consistently politically crappy.

[wkat4242]

True but Poland did come from a really really deep hole under the thumb of the Soviets. They were very thoroughly screwed over. I guess this is why Poland is the most anti russian country in the EU now (and rightly so)

Just saying that growth is pretty easy starting off from zero.

[bootsmann]

Usually people quit when they have to go to a notary the first time, impressive that you held out.

[egorfine]

> reducing the complexity of incorporating and paying taxes in Germany would quickly improve

I believe german citizens are actually against it. I may be wrong, but this is my personal observations. Source: I have tried to incorporate in Germany and I have incorporated in Poland.

[Muromec]

Does the complexity even cost more than 500 eurobucks a year?

[w1nt3rmut3]

What do you mean abroad? I don't think anyone is considering moving to the USA. But maybe you mean a different country?

[Yaina]

I think you replied to the wrong thread ^^;

[wizzwizz4]

I think it was meant to be https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45880024.

[sib]

Year Europeans Obtaining U.S. Lawful Permanent Resident Status

2014 83,270

2015 85,800

2016 93,570

2017 84,340

2018 80,020

2019 87,600

2020 68,990

2021 61,520

2022 75,610

2023 80,280

Yup, definitely looks like no Europeans have ever considered moving to the US...

[LunaSea]

76,221 Americana moved to the EU in 2022.

So in fact there was a net migration out of the US and to the EU.

[sib]

Yep - I saw those numbers too. But they're irrelevant to the OP's comment that no one is moving to the US.

[mdhb]

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[sib]

"I don't think anyone" - means zero, not "almost no one" - you yourself should probably study English some more.

And... let's put it this way - there are far fewer than 80,000 people who drive the growth of either the US or EU economy in non-linear ways. If 80,000 of the "wrong" (most positively impactful) people move from the EU to US, that's a big deal.

I'm pretty sure that I didn't implement any such policies. Did you implement the Third Reich's policies, sir?

There are apparently also stories that I've made up. Interesting. How's that mind-reading technology coming along?

[mdhb]

Really only finding a way to match almost every negative US stereotype possible here. I feel like I lost brain cells just reading it. This is that famous education system in action.

I genuinely laughed when I read this. Like you had set up an argument in your mind where if even one person moved from the EU to the US you were going to be right and the best part is I don’t think you’re joking like you actually believed this. Back in the real world though everyone understands that 99.9% means everyone.

But sure, do go on telling people to “learn English better” while you proudly continue on through life with a first grade reading comprehension and math skills.

[sib]

Typical. Make an argument. Be proven wrong. Lash out at the terrible US education system (which, of course, has most of the best universities in the world and to which many foreign people spend collectively billions of dollars to attend.) Goodbye.

[admissionsguy]

I actually see a large stream of people moving to the US. Europe is doomed.

[wkat4242]

I see the opposite. A lot of US people trying to move here now that it's becoming unliveable there for eg trans people. I'm kinda in an lgbt bubble but still. I myself have informed my employer I will no longer even travel to the US for work. Visiting a country means subjecting yourself to its laws and I won't do that. Same with eg middle east. I'm kinda non-binary so trying to get an X passport now so I have an easier time refusing (as I wouldn't be accepted entry anyway)

Also for colleagues in India, scoring a job in America through our company was always the big ideal. That also is no more because nobody wants to be a second class citizen.

[thewebguyd]

> civil society and privacy advocacy groups always need to stay vigilant and keep mobilizing people. It's an attrition game.

In a game of cat and mouse, the cat only has to win once.

[andrepd]

Literally so, because the European """Parliament""" is the only institution with this name that I'm aware of that does not have the power to introduce laws. Which means it doesn't have the power to repeal them.

In other words, the Commission can propose laws as many times as they want, and if they pass even once, the Parliament has no power to repeal it.

[Muromec]

Parliament can rewrite the wording of the law in the committees any way they want, including by making them state the opposite.

The tricky part is getting commission and the council also sign off on that.

[fodkodrasz]

> civil society and privacy advocacy groups always need to stay vigilant and keep mobilizing people. It's an attrition game.

I'm not sure why you are singling out the EU Chat Control, when all the US "tech" sector have been playing this attrition game for 40+ years already...

It is indeed an attrition game, and the dominance of the adtech surveillance capitalism is the proof that we are already on the loosing side.

[aljgz]

Maybe because that one everyone is used to, and this one is new? We get used to the status quo, but anything new is scary. In this case, chat control is indeed scary, but the existing ad tech mass surveilance does not get much attention.