[b112]

There's a difference between buying shares, something Western governments have done forever, and owning controlling interest.

There's also a difference between owning some shares, which is hands off, and having no legal blocks to killing the CEO's family if he doesn't do as wished.

You're comparing false equivalences.

Chinese ownership of corporations is entirely different in this context. Even with the current US leadership, no comparison. None.

[FactolSarin]

I don't know if you've been paying attention lately, but the US Government is very hands on when it comes to directing businesses these days, and Congress lets the President do whatever he wants, whether strictly legal or not.

Do you really not think the current President wouldn't lean as hard on a US corporation as he needed to in order to get whatever he wanted?

[llm_nerd]

Many, many Americans are in denial about how shockingly the country has fallen. It's just staggering at this point seeing Americans, of all people, warning about Chinese ties with business.

I remember everyone fear-mongering because some business member in China had ties with the Communist party. The US is literally commissioning executives from tech companies in the armed forces (https://www.npr.org/2025/07/03/1255164460/1a-army-07-03-2025), business leaders like Elon Musk literally became members of the administration while many more (Larry Ellison, Peter Thiel, among many others) are defacto mouthpieces of this administration. Trump is exerting absolute, unchecked, utterly lawless power to do whatever he wants whenever he wants, while occasionally looting those very companies for various kickbacks.

The US is currently an international shame, and a shame to 240+ years of its history. It is an abomination compared to all of its historic values and laws and checks. And anyone blind to this, yet still pointing at China, is intellectually defective.

[fsloth]

To me the specific state compliance mechanism is irrelevant here if a third country simply cares about data and security.

Of course both governments utilize all measures they can to collect intelligence.

And then decide how much of that data they share with partners, and when. This has considerable security implications.

[llm_nerd]

"Chinese ownership of corporations is entirely different in this context"

There is no difference. The US does not effectively have any law or checks on the power of the presidency at this point. Various tech companies had executives literally enlisted in the armed forces. The government has shown, repeatedly, that it will financially penalize any company that doesn't serve their agenda. It has controlled broadcasters and social media and financial organizations.

As an outsider looking in, any difference between the US and China is mostly illusory. It has all been revealed to be make believe.