[dzhiurgis]

> instead of making cars for real people that love cars.

Whoosh. They've been saying Tesla is an AI company for nearly a decade. AI has been propping up entire US economy for last few years. EV bandwagon has left long time ago.

Saying all that I wouldn't mind even cheaper Tesla - small screen, 1 camera instead of 11, fully offline, fully stainless steel, fully open source - basically minimally tech and maximally maintainable and maximum longevity.

[bastawhiz]

They make cars that mostly do their job. They don't make AI that does its job. They're not an AI company, they're a car company pretending they're not a car company.

[seanmcdirmid]

> Saying all that I wouldn't mind even cheaper Tesla - small screen, 1 camera instead of 11, fully offline, fully stainless steel, fully open source - basically minimally tech and maximally maintainable and maximum longevity.

What you describe would probably cost more money, not less. The market is small and analog tech is actually more expensive to produce with than digital tech.

[dzhiurgis]

I said nothing about analog.

[seanmcdirmid]

> I said nothing about analog.

But:

> basically minimally tech and maximally maintainable and maximum longevity.

Kind of implies it.

Tech is used to lower prices, not raise them, if you want minimize tech, and you want to make it as maintainable by end user or relatively cheap mechanics, and you want it to last as long as possible, that is going to cost a lot. Or you basically want a Lada Laika, the old ones, that could be repaired super easily. Anything with microchips is going to suffer if those chips die, and they aren't going to be easy to repair.

[dzhiurgis]

> Anything with microchips is going to suffer if those chips die, and they aren't going to be easy to repair.

AFAIK Tesla is already moving towards that direction with unboxed manufacturing - it's where same chip can be either window controller or brake controller. Having single chip + open source firmware would eliminate this issue.