[weirdindiankid]

I’m still perplexed by the utter lack of regulatory action in both the U.S. and Canada with FSD. Its inconsistency and Tesla’s “seat of the pants” approach to safety have gotten enough people injured to where I’d have expected someone to take notice by now. Don’t get me wrong, when it works, it’s amazing but there’s no way to reliably establish that it works on the same route twice.

[jonway]

This is a fairly weak shower thought, but it was interesting to note (anecdotally) people's propensity to rigidly prioritize safety in some, but not all circumstances.

For example, I've had numerous conversations where people will point to safety rating in vehicles to defend their purchasing decisions. Its simple to understand really, I want the safest car for my family/child etc, that is why I refuse to buy an older, used vehicle or prefer a sedan over SUV. Safety becomes cover for preference and defending trends like expanding pickup truck sizes since the 2000s while there is no safety rating or even objective measure of the efficacy of these self-driving systems.

Hopefully I haven't wasted your time, its just a psychological trend that I think exists.

[paulryanrogers]

Shame they don't reduce safety ratings for the bigger vehicles with worse visibility that are more likely to kill pedestrians/bicyclists and cause more respiratory problems than smaller vehicles.

[jonway]

Yes, its maybe an "internal" safety rating? Since the ratings are from a standardized test usually conducted on a powered rail trolley, I've often wondered if the safety rating would be different if the testing considered those other factors, like crashing into a Civic vs a Chevy truck, or vice versa.

I have training and a great deal of experience with vehicle emissions systems, but not medical training beyond first aid and CPR. I think that mostly the respiration problems are caused by particulates volatile organic compounds, oxides of nitrogen, and sulfur dioxide(which is quite nasty), mostly from diesel emissions. The catalytic converters and emission controls prevent nearly all VoC and like %90 of NOx, so the effect from passenger vehicles seems pretty small there. They do nothing to eliminate SO2, which is why we mandate DEF (diesel emissions fluid) on some diesels.

Brake dust and tire wear is another smaller contributor, though

[PunchyHamster]

It's weird, it's essentially allowing unlicensed driver on roads

[terminalshort]

Show me actual stats on the safety vs human drivers and I may actually care. The lack of them makes me think that it isn't actually that dangerous compared to humans.

[weirdindiankid]

Agreed. Unfortunately, Tesla’s quite cagey with publishing safety data, far as I can tell. For what it’s worth, both HW4 and HW3 with FSD 13.x and 12.x have put me in dangerous situations enough times to where I no longer trust it.

[terminalshort]

I would like to see that data too, but seeing how unhinged the media reaction is when even one person is killed in a Tesla (or even when a cat was killed by a Waymo) I do understand why they don't release it.