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by thaumasiotes 215 days ago
> My "rigid ethics" frowns on eugenics.

This is a funny message to attach to "if you have bad genes, you shouldn't reproduce".

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> "if you have bad genes, you shouldn't reproduce"

It would be, if I had said that. If I had something extremely screwed up about my genes, I definitely wouldn't reproduce, though. Reproduction is irreducibly narcissistic, even though it's fine - it's our purpose if we could be said to have one. But I don't need to watch a child suffer intensely to feed my ego.

Also I, like everyone else, have plenty in my genes that I hope my kids don't get but it doesn't keep me from having them. They can have a big noses, or weird teeth; hopefully they'll have the character to overcome it.

But I think you need to realize that people will be trying to breed extremely skinny girls with huge breasts, or extremely skinny boys with huge breasts, or that a trend will catch fire about girls with eyes really far apart because of some movie star, and there will be a generation with a million girls with brain damage and constant migraines. All because we couldn't tell wealthy people "no."

Even if we're doing eugenics as a society, it would have to be tightly regulated in every way (what do we define as an illness?), and now you instantly have government eugenics. Are you happy with that?

"But I think you need to realize that people will be trying to breed extremely skinny girls with huge breasts, or extremely skinny boys with huge breasts, or that a trend will catch fire about girls with eyes really far apart because of some movie star, and there will be a generation with a million girls with brain damage and constant migraines. All because we couldn't tell wealthy people "no.""

No wonder that you are calling yourself "pessimizer".

Maybe your confident assessment of the horrors of the future is wrong?

Uncharitably - GP likely believes (as many do) that the current zeitgeist of reproductive norms is ideal, as the possibility of it excluding themselves has never occurred to them.
It has occured to us, that is why we strongly oppose it
There are also many (some in the comments to this post) who have excluded themselves because of it.

Not that they should have the final word the subject of course. I'm just saying you can't assume they they didn't because they have a contrary opinion.

This is true. However, people with that position tend to reveal it because it supports their argument.