[Already__Taken]

These aren't good because for 0-lists you have an empty parent containers so often you have a wrapping if outside all of that. More generally, template logic indent doubles up inside the indent levels of the template markup and I just find it ugly.

I like vue a lot more;

    <ul v-if={users}>
      <li v-for={some in users}>{some.name}
    </ul>

[notpushkin]

Agree with sibling comments on control flow vs elements separation. For your specific case though, I think a middle ground can be found here:

  <ul #if={users}>
    {#each users as user}
      <li>{user.name}</li>
    {/each}
  </ul>