[kaspermarstal]

We need a new term for LLMs actually solving a hard problems. When I help Claude Code solve a nasty bug it doesn’t feel like “vibing” as in “I tell the model what I want the website to look like”. It feels like sniping as in “I spot for Claude Code, telling how to adjust for wind, range, and elevation so it can hit my far away target”.

[scosman]

From what I recall of the original Karpathy definition, it’s only “vibe coding” if you aren’t reading the code it produces

[lukan]

Yes, I vote for keeping that definition and not throw it all into a box. LLM assisted coding is not vibe coding.

[kaspermarstal]

My point exactly, it is not vibe coding so it should not be called vibe coding. What should we call it then?

[embedding-shape]

LLM-assisted Development. Something that for me works in practice, vibe-coding never did, you really need to carefully review and steer constantly if things are to work out longer than just a few features.

[JimDabell]

You’re right. It’s explicitly about not caring about the code:

> There's a new kind of coding I call "vibe coding", where you fully give in to the vibes, embrace exponentials, and forget that the code even exists. It's possible because the LLMs (e.g. Cursor Composer w Sonnet) are getting too good. Also I just talk to Composer with SuperWhisper so I barely even touch the keyboard. I ask for the dumbest things like "decrease the padding on the sidebar by half" because I'm too lazy to find it. I "Accept All" always, I don't read the diffs anymore. When I get error messages I just copy paste them in with no comment, usually that fixes it. The code grows beyond my usual comprehension, I'd have to really read through it for a while. Sometimes the LLMs can't fix a bug so I just work around it or ask for random changes until it goes away. It's not too bad for throwaway weekend projects, but still quite amusing. I'm building a project or webapp, but it's not really coding - I just see stuff, say stuff, run stuff, and copy paste stuff, and it mostly works.

— https://x.com/karpathy/status/1886192184808149383

[kaspermarstal]

Cool, I did not know that. That makes perfect sense.

[fuzzy_biscuit]

So we're the spotter in that metaphor. I like it!

[riskable]

"spotter coding" or perhaps "checker coding"?

"verified vivisection development" when you're working with older code :D

[demarq]

- backseat engineer

- keyboard princess

- Robin to the Batman

- meatstack engineer

- artificial manager

[kaspermarstal]

Keyboard Princess is good, Artificial Manager is even better.