[jfengel]

I find vanilla JS unusable for anything bigger, though. It was designed for quickie scripts on throwaway web pages, but it's not great for anything you'd call a web app.

Typescript, however, does scale pretty well. But now you've added a compiler and bundler, and might as well use some framework.

[grebc]

Right tool for the right job.

I’ve written some pretty complicated vanilla JS and it works fine. I’m not dealing with other people crappy code however so YMMV.