[techblueberry]

What you are failing to understand, is that this is literally the worst these models will ever be. Uber wasn’t profitable for like the first 20 years of their existence, and now look at them. People said the same things about the internet.

[pavelai]

The only thing I'm failing to understand is why you are using my arguments against my point of view, while you are who's critisizing agents. Can you elaborate your statements then?

[raw_anon_1111]

And thousands of other companies weren’t profitable and disappeared into obscurity and failed, using Uber as proof of anything is the ultimate in survivorship bias.

[pavelai]

There a lot of examples of things been critisized in the beginning and strived, there are a lot of things which have gone. It only means that there could be only reasonable critics. Can you say if your criticism is reasonable? I saw a lot of things being thrashed in the beginning. And these things people use everyday. You can choose from thousands of examples

First plane didn't have cockpit, and windows, could fly only hundreds of meters, and looked more like a clothes dryer than a plane. Someone could call it inefficient (and really it wasn't efficient). It was easy to call it dangerous. But as we can see, planes evolved since then. When the first radio was invented there was no radio station to listen. When the steam train was invented it was crazy expensive and there was no government which has enough money to build all the railroads we have today

All of these technologies were modified by talented people, some of them were inventors, others later adopters. But they changed how this technologies work, and what goods they brought to us

AI is too young technology to tell if it fail or not. You can critisize it or you can change the direction of the progress. It's up to you

[raw_anon_1111]

And if you can point to thousands, then I can literally 100x for all the things that failed. You only have to go back 25 years in tech to see all of the failures - or YC companies that IPO’d more recently that collectively have a -49% return while the broader market has seen record gains

https://medium.com/@Arakunrin/the-post-ipo-performance-of-y-...

It ends up for instance that Steve Jobs was right about Dropbox - it is a feature not a product.

[pavelai]

Ok. We are talking about different things. There are fundamental rules which make technologies to strive or disappear. But there are other fundamental rules for products, features, etc. So you talk about products and I talk about technology.

YCombinator is about products, not technologies, so their example is not suitable here. Agents is a technology. They have fundamental advantage over premade software. They are already here and they are doing valuable work. They will stay for the near future. You can argue against reasons to use particular agents or particular products built around them, or particular features, but not against the whole technology.

The technology is verified, we need to find the way to make it safer and more sustainable. This would require to solve many technical tasks: build safeguards, create eco-friendly energy production, solve explainability, build physical infrastructure, develop new technical standards, etc.