[hombre_fatal]

Now that I'm not only using a Macbook and iPhone, I've been looking for cross-platform solutions.

For a week I've been using KeePassXC + Syncthing between four devices. Syncthing is also syncing my Obsidian vaults which has replaced Apple-only Notes.app.

Bitwarden is definitely more polished, and Syncthing is definitely (much) more fiddly than using Bitwarden's and Obsidian's ($5/mo) native syncing tools.

But I like the idea of having the same syncing solution across all apps on all devices. Curious if anybody can recommend this setup or if collisions will make it unbearable.

[kevstev]

If you have a nas, I highly recommend you set up a VPN back to your network. It's been a bit of a game changer for me. I don't fiddle around with Dropbox or gdrive anymore, it's just on my nas and it just works. I was even mounting /home from it but that was a bit of overkill and still caused some hassles when I was completely offline- like on an airplane. Vpn has other advantages as well like no longer really having to worry about sketchy wifi networks. It felt annoying and like overkill at first, but I'm never going back to relying on any sync apps again.

[jmb99]

> I was even mounting /home from it but that was a bit of overkill and still caused some hassles when I was completely offline- like on an airplane.

I solved this by having /home for desktops/workstations on my NAS, but laptops had their own /home (with the NAS /home mounted somewhere locally). It’s not perfect but was way easier than dealing with the offline case.

[FabHK]

Yes, I'm using Tailscale, and you're basically always on your home network. Very convenient.

[9029]

I have used this setup for 6 years or so with KeePassXC and it's fine. Just being mindful of not editing stuff on other devices before the first one has had the chance to sync has been enough to avoid pretty much all sync conflicts. I have only had to resolve those a few times so far, iirc my android client was misconfigured at the time or something.

I still recommend Bitwarden for password management for any "laypeople" since it will just work. Also worth noting that the basic functionality is free.

[herewulf]

I do something similar with Syncthing, except I use pass and go-pass on my and my spouse's devices. Those utilities store their data in a git repo already by default, but rather than syncing those repos directly, I have set their upstream remotes to local bare repos which is what Syncthing actually syncs. This avoids contention internal to the git repos which I could see causing some problems through normal git operation and the actual sync between devices should be mostly atomic.

(go-)pass automatically does a push/pull due to several operations which keeps the password store in sync and Syncthing does its thing with the bare repos.

This has reduced my maintenance burden on my spouse's devices down to practically zero. The worst case to fix things is I need to `git pull --rebase` in the bare repo. The pass repo format uses individual encrypted files for each password entry (for better or worse) so I have yet to run into a conflict in the same entry.

Why not just push/pull git branches normally? I had previously been doing that but if you want devices to sync that may not always be online, then you must involve an always online git server (which isn't a great idea due to one of pass's weaknesses).

[yorwba]

Even when you do get a sync conflict, Syncthing will rename one of the copies and then you can have KeePassXC merge the two files back into one. So that's still pretty much hassle-free.

[hombre_fatal]

Probably due to Obsidian's aggressive autosaving, I did cause a syncthing collision my first day by clicking into a note that I was editing on my other device. Kinda wish desktop Obsidian had a save system more like code editors and less like smartphone apps.

I suppose I can avoid the issue with some discipline.

[Tallain]

This is the same setup I used for years with no issues, both KeePassXC and multiple Obsidian vaults, along with some other random files and folders. Syncthing is pretty much rock solid. Now I have the KeePassXC database stored on my NAS which is even simpler.

[Joe_Cool]

The cool thing with KeePass is that each client is also a local backup. It's pretty neat.

[rafabulsing]

I use a similar setup, but with Onedrive instead of Syncthing (and, before that, Dropbox).

In the almost 10 years I've been running this setup, I think I hit a conflict one single time. I don't quite remember the details, but I think I accidentally edited something in the mobile app, and before saving, edited something else in the desktop app or vice-versa. So it was pretty much my fault.

Other than that, literally never had an issue. Password managers are by their nature mostly reads, and very occasional writes, so it's very hard to put yourself in a situation where conflicts happen, even if you don't pay attention to it. I've made an identical setup for my (fairly savvy but non-technical) fiancee, and she's never hit an issue either. I had to insist a bit for her to get on board, but years later she actually loves using KeePass. She's thanked me multiple times for how convenient it is not having to remember passwords anymore!

[Yodel0914]

Not sure about Obsidian sync, but for Bitwarden you can self-host Vaultwarden.

[echelon]

> Now that I'm not only using a Macbook and iPhone, I've been looking for cross-platform solutions.

1password works in all the places, it's just not open source.

[eightys3v3n]

One consideration is that Bitwarden seems to not work fully in an offline state the same way your setup would. I constantly try to edit or add a password while offline and can't. I think this somewhat negates the collision situation though.

[hombre_fatal]

That came up during my research and it's one of the reasons I couldn't choose it.

Forcing a read/write right before and after each edit probably simplifies the sync scenario for them but I don't like relying on permanent internet access in my life since it's just not the case.

[seemaze]

I originally started using Bitwarden to achieve sync across Mac, Windows, and Linux machines, along with all major browser platforms. It's been great!

[com2kid]

You can throw a keepass vault on OneDrive or Dropbox and it works just fine everywhere. Not fiddly at all except Linux and OneDrive support.

[sach1]

I have almost the exact same setup! Hit me up if you have any Qs as I've been a happy user of this for a few years now.

[Aeolun]

Which device can you not use bitwarden on?

[fibers]

strongbox is a reasonable app for iOS and you can set it up for sftp to your main self hosted server.

[hackeman300]

Unfortunately strongbox was sold a few months ago to a somewhat notorious app firm that has the nasty habit of buying popular apps and adding a whole bunch of telemetry. Not something I'd want in a password app.

I've switched to KeePassium. Not quite as polished UX, but works for me

[hombre_fatal]

I'm using KeePassium and SyncTrain for the syncthing integration on iOS.

SyncTrain has been working well, but all the knobs in the advanced folder settings definitely reminds me that I would never recommend it over Dropbox/iCloud/etc to almost anyone, heh.

But as long as I don't run into frequent problems, I like the idea of p2p device syncing over LAN. The phone in my pocket ends up passing around the latest copy since my other devices are almost never on at the same time. It's kinda cute.

[KeePassium]

> Not quite as polished UX

Huh, this is interesting… If you have any specific UX pain points, feel free to reach out.

[therealpygon]

Why not just run a vaultwarden instance at that point?

[doubled112]

No matter how you sync, a Keepass file is a file. I can't be logged out. It will still be on my phone if my house burns down. Every device it's synced to is an additional backup copy.

The Bitwarden client will sometimes log you out if something happens on the server side, which has the potential to make worst case recovery from annoying to impossible. The circular dependency of having my cloud backup password in the vault made me nervous.

Yes, you can back your vault up, but it's a manual step and likely to be forgotten.