[jdpage]

Point of order: "enshittification" does not mean what the author's using it to mean. It does not just mean "the product got worse". It means "the product was purposefully made worse in order to capture additional value from the customer," i.e. a rug pull.

Maybe I'm being pedantic, but I'd hate to see such a useful term for corporate malfeasance diluted.

[joshbuddy]

Well, Cory recently said in a podcast we can use it to mean "product got worse", so I've become less pedantic on this point fwiw. (I think it was in the episode of Adam Conover from about a month ago)

[jdpage]

Hmm. I am tentatively holding to my position, because I think it's useful to have a separate word, but I'll go track down the episode and see if he elaborates on that further. Thanks!

[cdoctorow]

This is specifically what I've written on the subject (I quote this in the book):

https://pluralistic.net/2024/10/14/pearl-clutching/#this-toi...

> The fact that a neologism is sometimes decoupled from its theoretical underpinnings and is used colloquially is a feature, not a bug. Many people apply the term "enshittification" very loosely indeed, to mean "something that is bad," without bothering to learn – or apply – the theoretical framework. This is good. This is what it means for a term to enter the lexicon: it takes on a life of its own. If 10,000,000 people use "enshittification" loosely and inspire 10% of their number to look up the longer, more theoretical work I've done on it, that is one million normies who have been sucked into a discourse that used to live exclusively in the world of the most wonkish and obscure practitioners. The only way to maintain a precise, theoretically grounded use of a term is to confine its usage to a small group of largely irrelevant insiders. Policing the use of "enshittification" is worse than a self-limiting move – it would be a self-inflicted wound.

[jdpage]

... argument withdrawn.

I suppose if I want to use the word to mean the original sense, I need to include clarification that that's what I'm doing. I'll have to think of how best to do that without coming across as judgy or condescending, since that's sort of police-y (and also just unpleasant).

[uoaei]

Invent a new word ;)

Entropy in action, eh?!

[9rx]

> Cory recently said in a podcast we can use it to mean "product got worse"

Of course we can. We can also use it mean "product became wonderful".

The question, as always, is if we should.

[hlassiege]

I get the impression I hit a sensitive spot with my use of "enshittification" :)

Sorry about that. I realize this term has a very strict meaning in English, but it's a bit less true in my language (French).

I responded to this in another comment above, but basically I was using the term to encompass everything that contributes to degrading a product. Everything that makes it more complex, often tied to company growth (I started a company in 2012 that's now 700 people).

But I get the point. I see this touches on another topic around corporate malpractice. I honestly wasn't even aware of that.

Now I know :)

[mvkel]

Yep. The irony being that "enshittification," properly deployed, can actually lead a company to even more success. Product people always think "having the best product" wins the day, but there are billions of dollars made through a perfectly baked enshittified pie.

[gwd]

"The Market for Lemons" has always been a thing. If the user can't immediately distinguish between "Looks good at first and is good all the way through" and "Looks good and gets crappier as you go along", then both will be forced by the market to charge the same amount; but the latter one can afford to do it at a price the former can't afford.

[topaz0]

That's also not what "enshittification" was coined to describe.

[supportengineer]

Success for the shareholders, or for the paying customers?

[moravak1984]

Yes, pedantry is justified in this case.

Froggies doing wrong cultural appropriation again... maybe the "Emilia Perez syndrome" is becoming a thing.

[supportengineer]

There's another flavor of enshittification where no one benefits, but the product manager got a promotion.